FDX Trip Rig questions
12-11-2007, 01:06 PM
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Yes, yes. OK. OK. You guys are right. Not increasing the value of a vacation day, but getting a better trip rig was definitely a giveback.
Thank God we didn't get a 1 for 3 trip rig. We'd be forced to work 9 days a month. And we'd only be able to knock off 5 days of that, with our 7 day(42hr) vacation!! What a rip-off. Working 4 days in a vaction month.
And, if we went to a 1 for 2 trip rig. Holy Cow!! You'd have to work 6 days in a 4 week month. And, then you'd only be able to knock off 3 more days with that 7 day(42hr) vacation. I'd walk over having to work 3 days in a vacation month.
Up until next month...The only way we could get ripped off like that was to fly hard time trips. You know, and be scheduled less days per month.
Thank God we didn't get a 1 for 3 trip rig. We'd be forced to work 9 days a month. And we'd only be able to knock off 5 days of that, with our 7 day(42hr) vacation!! What a rip-off. Working 4 days in a vaction month.
And, if we went to a 1 for 2 trip rig. Holy Cow!! You'd have to work 6 days in a 4 week month. And, then you'd only be able to knock off 3 more days with that 7 day(42hr) vacation. I'd walk over having to work 3 days in a vacation month.
Up until next month...The only way we could get ripped off like that was to fly hard time trips. You know, and be scheduled less days per month.
12-11-2007, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Busboy
Yes, yes. OK. OK. You guys are right. Not increasing the value of a vacation day, but getting a better trip rig was definitely a giveback.
Thank God we didn't get a 1 for 3 trip rig. We'd be forced to work 9 days a month. And we'd only be able to knock off 5 days of that, with our 7 day(42hr) vacation!! What a rip-off. Working 4 days in a vaction month.
And, if we went to a 1 for 2 trip rig. Holy Cow!! You'd have to work 6 days in a 4 week month. And, then you'd only be able to knock off 3 more days with that 7 day(42hr) vacation. I'd walk over having to work 3 days in a vacation month.
Up until next month...The only way we could get ripped off like that was to fly hard time trips. You know, and be scheduled less days per month.
Thank God we didn't get a 1 for 3 trip rig. We'd be forced to work 9 days a month. And we'd only be able to knock off 5 days of that, with our 7 day(42hr) vacation!! What a rip-off. Working 4 days in a vaction month.
And, if we went to a 1 for 2 trip rig. Holy Cow!! You'd have to work 6 days in a 4 week month. And, then you'd only be able to knock off 3 more days with that 7 day(42hr) vacation. I'd walk over having to work 3 days in a vacation month.
Up until next month...The only way we could get ripped off like that was to fly hard time trips. You know, and be scheduled less days per month.
12-11-2007, 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Busboy
Lets try this.
In January, you say you are working the same number of days, for an additional 6.4 hrs of pay, right?
Now, if you just drop a 1 day, 6.4 hr trip...You are still benefitting from the new trip rig, right? Because you are now working 1 day less, for the same pay,than you did in OCT. .
In January, you say you are working the same number of days, for an additional 6.4 hrs of pay, right?
Now, if you just drop a 1 day, 6.4 hr trip...You are still benefitting from the new trip rig, right? Because you are now working 1 day less, for the same pay,than you did in OCT. .
So most Hub turns still pay 6 vice 6.4. (only they have been optimized to work 5 plus block hours or more.)
There in lies the mistake. We should have (but didn't) tied MPDP's to blend with the change of RIG, i.e. MPDP-E should now pay 3.2. so a domestic hubturn would now pay 6.4 hours. So a Week of MEM-DSM hub turns would pay the same as a week of IND-DSM hub turns. But now it doesn't and we gave the Company financial incentive to break up Week long city pure domestic trips out of IND, OAK EWR and AFW...............i.e. THE DOMESTIC SOLVE. We further agreeded that a day of work in many cases no longer equals a sick or vacation day. A bad precident for next round of negotiations. What will a sick or Vacation day be worth next time?
We should have increased a Sick day/ Vacation Day to Match 1 day of work just a we should have with MPDP's.
As for many international trips, yes they now pay a little more, but have you noticed that you are flying more Block hours per trip?
Remember the FCH :
Trip rig was 1.345 and MPDP was 3.5 so a day of work was 7 and so was a Sick day or Vacation Day.
Contract 1 : Trip rig went to 4.0 and MPDP's went to 3Hr and our Sick and Vacation value followed. Many said that was a give back but atleast things were harmonized.
Factor in the increased High/Low Line construction split to 13 hours (up from 8:30). Another very BIG mistake.
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12-11-2007, 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r
Not so fast, The problem is that most all domestic Hub-turns still pay by MPDP-E and not by Trip rig.
So most Hub turns still pay 6 vice 6.4. (only they have been optimized to work 5 plus block hours or more.)
If that is true, which I don't doubt, then those that fly hub turns haven't "lost" any sick or vacation days. They also haven't gained any benefit under the new contract (other than the meager 3% cola raise.)
Factor in the increased High/Low Line construction split to 13 hours (up from 8:30). Another very BIG mistake.
And don't forget that 13 hour split doesn't include the "hidden" > 8 capture hours. There are lines in ANC for January that have an almost 19 hour split.
So most Hub turns still pay 6 vice 6.4. (only they have been optimized to work 5 plus block hours or more.)
If that is true, which I don't doubt, then those that fly hub turns haven't "lost" any sick or vacation days. They also haven't gained any benefit under the new contract (other than the meager 3% cola raise.)
Factor in the increased High/Low Line construction split to 13 hours (up from 8:30). Another very BIG mistake.
And don't forget that 13 hour split doesn't include the "hidden" > 8 capture hours. There are lines in ANC for January that have an almost 19 hour split.
12-11-2007, 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by BrownGirls YUM
First off my glass has beer in it. It's full. I'm happy.
The problem with Barons' point is that it's an oversimplification that doesn't apply universally to all seats.
Again, not complaining...I'm just sayin'...
The problem with Barons' point is that it's an oversimplification that doesn't apply universally to all seats.
Again, not complaining...I'm just sayin'...
Originally Posted by Gunter
This thought process works great if you assume everyone flies the MD11.
Otherwise the assumptions in this post and others fall short.
Otherwise the assumptions in this post and others fall short.
Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r
This assumption doesn't even hold true on the MD-11 either, just some of the lines.
The company controls BLG. So you might make a little more TAFB but if the AVG BLG is 2 hours less than say it was 2 years ago, where is the gain.
Also when things swing and we are short staffed again, expect the BLG to go up, but also expect the lnes to be optimized so more of us have to work more days per month.
The company controls BLG. So you might make a little more TAFB but if the AVG BLG is 2 hours less than say it was 2 years ago, where is the gain.
Also when things swing and we are short staffed again, expect the BLG to go up, but also expect the lnes to be optimized so more of us have to work more days per month.
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