JetJocF14

Just Voted........easy As Pie.........

BrownGirls YUM

Now that's confidence. Future negotiations on FDA's? Fat chance based on past performance, right? The damage is done and irreparable.

My greater fear is the FDA LOA becoming the baseline for future negotiations in general. Throw out a few red herrings; "someone else will get our flying if we don't cave and sign a concessionary deal"..."we're all gonna get furloughed if we don't sign this concessionary contract"..."contractual retirement age will go up to 65 if we don't sign this (insert turd du jur here)"...

Professional negotiators, please.

Sorry for the thread creep. Everyone get out there and VOTE!

Toccata

Albie - are you somehow trying to indicate what exactly the "Scope Improvements/Enhancements" are that the Union is claiming to have gained?

If so, I would certainly appreciate further clarification. I've yet to really find any 'black and white' improvements of the current Section 1 of the contract.

And, honestly, I don't see how we've "secured" or "locked down" any of the flying. Maybe we've made it more inconvenient to bring someone else in. But, as I read it, 1.B.4., and 1.B.7.d. are still alive and well to be utilized by the company if needed.

Thanks for any enlightenment in this area that you can provide. I've pretty much put all the individuals that talked about improvements in the 'spin-meister' category, with associated credibility.

Toccata

About to vote. LOA ? i guess the voting record answers that one. Age 60 ALPA position? True statement here? Not true?

Since the forum is obviously still monitored - single word answers are fine, as is a PM.

I'm only one vote, so probably no big deal. No answer will work as well also.

Albief15

I really DIDN'T see the scope improvements. I am with you on the LOA. I voted "no". I argued with several members--Wes, Scott Schwartz, and Tony...at some length. I listened to their input--but still voted "no". I think voting "yes" on the age 60 change was also a mistake--even a symbolic "no" vote would have been better for unity, IMHO.

So--I agree with you on many counts. However--and this is my point--I have a loooooong history of a lot of talks and email conversations with Tony--long before he went to block 5. He has always impressed me as a stalwart supporter of the pilot agenda. In fact--I won't go into HIS story--but he probably has less trust and love for management than most. He was an F/O flex for a while, and had some insights into how things were being done in those areans. So--in summary--I disagreed with Tony on several issues. However, I still think he's a solid guy--and I a HOPING to gain the insights into why so many guys thought the LOA was such a good deal they'd put their names on it.

My agenda for the LOAs will be to add money for the dudes there--hopefully as a non-pensionable/non-dues payable COLA, eliminate the 100 mile restriction, and perhaps put a time limit on guys over there have to serve without a guaranteed bid back to MEM (sort of like the guys who auto-flowed to the S/O seat....) A little more money, and a flow back plan--and I think we'd never have another vacancy over there. Even though it appears we'll hire or fill these vacancies with either new hires or our own guys, the problem isn't going away--we are going to GROW these FDAs so the problems we face with them aren't going to shrink--they are going to grow.

DLax85

I am sorry Albie, you know I am a stickler for verbiage at times.

Could you please point me to the section of the LOA that contains the "scope clause" you are refering to?

BrownGirls YUM

That's all good stuff, and it's somewhat reassuring to see someone committed to keeping the word that was given at the time of the vote to actually seek future improvements.

What I would recommend is for someone to ask the people there what is important to them when the time comes for negotiation again. There are also plenty of low-cost/no-cost items that could be contractually implemented to improve the FDA situation.

Forget the Purple Tails section....we may as well designate an FDA LOA forum!

Unknown Rider

I think he was referring to the scope section of the CBA, not the LOA - or maybe it's just MIA, in which case we're just SOL

Albief15

I didn't RTFQ.

Peripatetic

Amen on that last paragraph, Aaron! HKG training dates bumped up almost a month due to the bid cancellation. . .