So if a pilot is excessed backwards, those receiving passover pay because of that pilot's previous seat position no longer receive passover?

Can't see it any other way. Call MaryNelle if you want the final word.

"For you to want to remove that privilege because the contract doesn't have firm language is just plain mean."

What would you say about pilots with at least 25 years in at FedEx, that made WB Capt 5 years earlier due to Age 60, now forcing everyone else to go backwards because they don't want to take the retirement we negoitiated for them?

I agree with your analysis. I think company wants level manning (especially in HKG), but if they're stuck with a bubble then they'll want it in their least costly seat. Doubt if many 72FO's will go down to SO; I think many of the senior guys will jump ship like you say and the more junior FO's will consider going to ANC (if they can hold it). So the bottom guys should be safe; however, if they do go down to SO, they'll just be sitting reserve and never getting called because we'll still be fat in that seat (no furloughs). Even if they decide to have another excess, the 72SO seat will only get fatter. That is unless some are crazy enough to bid HKG...SG

You make a good case for living in domicile. Now that's just plain mean!:D

2 wrongs don't make a right.

Good Question
 

I've flown with several dudes the past few months who are in that situation, except they've been here over 30 years and plan to stick around to "get one more type rating" in the 777. YGBSM right? They are'nt getting just one more type rating, they are taking a pass on the best retirement remaining in the industry and screwing the junior guys in the process so they can work at 1/2 pay. I'm sorry, I just don't get it.

In answer to your question, I really don't know what to say. I hate to talk about in the jet because my blood pressure gets too high. I had one of these guys tell me "don't worry, you're getting the same deal I am." How's that? By waiting an extra 3-4 years to upgrade and than choosing to work past 60 so I can earn what I would have had things not changed. It's fuzzy math at best, and the bottom line is these guys are just being greedy.

Period, Dot, EOS....

Jolly,
I agree with you 100%!

My question is why are we excessing from the 727/So position. It is the lowest paying job in the company and now we are giving the opportunity for guys that essentially work for free (J Lewis and friends) to move into wide body captain positions? I realize 727 Seconds are overmanned, but don't you think every position will be after the -10 excess?

This excess bid for any position other than the DC-10 is ridiculous...

Understood. I didn't say I agreed with the first point. I was just wondering how you would characterize someone with a full retirement actually forcing others to sacrifice for them if you thought a poster making suggestion was being mean! I think his point was if FedEx and ALPA had not allowed this to begin with the problem we face now would be less severe. I really can't imagine these over 60 guys thinking they are coming back to the same job they left. It's not like everyone below them getting screwed for their sake will wave welcome banners when they hit the line again. I think there will be a lot of slam clicking on layovers very soon and new watering holes for those who were on the losing end of this whole deal.

I agree.

BTW, they really don't buy the garbage they are floating about "it will be good for you too". They know it sucks.