Cargo Pirate

Don't sign. Because our great LOA passed the only leverage we have is to not sign away our labor rights. And don't bid HKG. If you think we will negotiate a better FDA LOA(chapter) during the next round of negotiations you need to volunteer for the negotiating committee and get a 3 year(or more) dose of reality.
Intended off thread rant!

Huck

Let me again point out - when you put in a bid for HKG, a box pops up and tells you that by entering that bid, you are agreeing to sign the LOA prior to training. Then you hit "Accept" or something like that.

I have no idea if the company would go after you if you later didn't sign, but I can't imagine it is impossible.

In these days of woe I'd think twice before I popped over the ridgeline like that......

FDXer

WHOOPS...I hit the wrong button and I couldn't go back....happens to me all the time!

Falconjet

I don't see the problem either. It appears that she could have held HKG on the bid when she instead got CDG. Also, just like anyone else who is excessed from Subic, she can go to another seat without there being a vacancy (understanding the exception for an excess at an FDA).

So she has a legitimate award under two provisions of the contract, assuming that Underdog is correct (and I think he is) that the COMPANY decides what constitutes an excess at any domicile.

We never know the true number of vacancies in a seat posting until the company decides how many secondaries its going to award (if any). The number of seats is a constantly changing dynamic that I'm sure somebody in the company has a handle on, but I don't think we, or the union officials, are ever privy to it.

I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night and I am just an unfrozen caveman pilot, but I don't see the problem with her award.

What would be really interesting, IMHO, would be if everyone who is a seat being excessed or had their bid to the 75 canceled, who are senior enough to hold HKG Captain (meaning just about all of them) but aren't in a widebody Captain seat yet, were to all bid HKG Captain.

Imagine if all of those bid it, now what is the company going to do? Pay passover to hundreds of pilots in lower seats? Not bloody likely. Plus up the domicile to hundreds of Captains and have a North American SIBA out of HKG? Don't think so.

My guess is they would cancel the bid awards and MAYBE have to go back and try again on the POS LOA.

Discuss.

FJ

Delco92

So the original 37 75CM whose bid was cancelled are entitled to widebody passover pay as well? With the bottom number of 57CM from 200703 being 2626, each and every one could hold 30CH. After a quick scrub of the list, I do not find any of the original 37 75CM on the 30CH final award. Therefore, FedEx should be paying wide body passover pay to 99 30CH without adding one seat to the FDA.

Is this what everyone is saying? The opportunity cost of canceling these bid is passover for all those affected by the bid cancellations?

Falconjet

If those pilots had HKG Capt on their bid after 75CM, they continue to bid it but don't get to go because the company won't fill that many slots, and THEN somebody junior to them activates, yes they would be eligible for passover pay (I think).

In order to get passover you have to actually bid and hold something, and then have a junior pilot activate (from the same or subsequent posting) before you should have. I doubt those guys bid H30C because they would have held it.

Those guys have the same option as your friend from Subic, go back to their former seat or go to something the could have held on the posting that was canceled. Evidently none of them wish to go to HKG. They would have to take the same risk as anybody else, that is, bid H30C and see if they actually get sent.

Even if they all do, passover won't start until somebody who is junior to them is activated (again, I think). Once you get a seat on a bid you train behind those who got it on any previous bid (again, normally), even those junior to you, and there is no passover pay for that. If the company decides to train out of seniority order (for that bid), then passover pay is triggered.

FJ

works nights

After reviewing the practice bid it appears some up 27 guys can be excessed to HKG. Any thoughts on taking move package #1 ie ship 16500#, plus 2 cars, and they third party buy your house, plus the move pay. Possible to move to LA, and CP flies daily nonstop to HKG. Just due a crashpad in HKG. Any thoughts on this????

Albief15

Those Cathay flights from SFO and LAX create a lot of options that I think some west coast guys and gals might consider. Rumor is a DFW-HKG direct with CP is in the works. That's a lot of ipod/computer/book time, but again...with the hand full of trip trading bros and bro-etttes it might make the bid worthwhile. I know "an upgrade isn't a pay raise", but pre-paying 3 kids tuition in six months with the difference in pay and socking away 3-4 times our current savings rate for a 3-4 gig might be worth doing. Again--your mileage may vary, and I do not scoff the long commute/circadian disruption/time wasting traveling arguments. I think it will depend on an individuals perspective.

FWIW...I've helped prep a lot of folks for Cathay and for Emirates in the last year, and listening to their plans and ideas has been one catylst for even considering this...

BOYCAPTAIN

look for another excess bid after this one...could be ugly for junior widebody captains...nothing in concrete yet though...

DiamondZ

CANNOT EXCESS TO A FDA