Adlerdriver -

Can you confirm you got this assignment off R24?

It's good to hear you were covered under the "commuting into Memphis clause" --- I''ve known this clause does not apply to those commuting in to sit "A or B reserve" or "airport standby", but wasn't sure how it applied to guys on R24.

OBTW, I know a senior MD11 Capt who missed a 72 hour trip by 8 minutes last fall and was removed. Had been talking to his schedulers for over 4 hours prior to the trip, keeping them informed on how he may be delayed.

In the end ---- no harm, no foul, but NO PAY! Now that's painful!

 

I asked former ACP JR the question about being protected against discipline and got the same answer you received from the ACP.

 

I don't mean to hijack this thread, but I have a related question on No Harm No Foul. When I was reading this thread, I was looking up the policy in the CBA (may be a FIRST for me!).

Does anyone know why No Harm No Foul only applies to commuters in Memphis? The CBA says "Memphis" instead of "domicile" each time it refers to the inbound J/S. Why are ANC, LAX etc guys EXCLUDED from NH-NF when commuting on a J/S to their domiciles?

 

The main reason is that MEM has airport standby pairings and the ability for a short call reserve. LAX and ANC have no airport standbys and a 3 hour reserve call out. If the inbound J/S does not know until the last minute, divert, emergency etc. they need to cover the trip quickly.

The policy applies to "trips" it does not matter what reserve status you are on, it is the fact that you were pre-assigned a trip and that trip meets the NHNF limits.

 

I don't recommend keeping scheduling informed if you are commuting within the NHNF limits.

I had a trip last winter and my jumpseat was getting delayed due to snow in the northeast. As we blocked out, our ETA in Memphis left me with over 30 minutes to check-in (time for the crew bus to make a few 180's). Weather was no factor in Memphis. I called scheduling to update them on my status. The response was, "You're where? Oh, I'm going to have to probably remove you from that trip." I explained that we already blocked out, were first for take-off, and had an ETA with time to spare. Her answer, "I'll watch it, but I may remove you." We land and I called scheduling to tell them that we're on the ground in Memphis. Her responsed, "You're where? Oh okay, thanks for keeping me informed. Click." I checked in at the machine with 10 minutes to spare.

Lessons learned:
1. NHNF doesn't require you to notify crew scheduling.
2. They won't remove you until you fail to check-in.
3. Crew scheduling doesn't care (until you fail to check-in at show time).

 

Here is some language on NHNF: While I agree that you should not be calling them just to say hi, you should comply with the CBA. If you are on the jet and have pushed back, calling them is not an option. I would say you need to make one call, if able, when you think it will be a problem to show on time.

c. A pilot positioning to Memphis on a Company jumpseat
shall take proactive steps to be aware of any circumstance
which could prevent his timely report to work (e.g., potential
maintenance, weather or FAA delays, reroutes). A pilot shall
notify CRS at the first indication that a bump, cancellation,
reroute or delay of his inbound jumpseat may prevent him
from checking in by his scheduled showtime.

 

M-X

The NHNF policy only applies to the Memphis domicile. That's why the CBA is written that way. If you are an ANC or LA person, you are expected to go out of domicile, no protections.

 

No, this was an RA assignment. I put myself on first fly and got the assignment Friday around noon (I was scheduled to start RA that night for Saturday RA period). I finally heard from my ACP today and the hours have been added to my m/u bank under the NH-NF clause.

I think the bottom line here isn't what R period you have. It boils down to having an actual trip assigned prior to starting your commute. If you're just commuting in to start an R-day with no assignment, you're not going to be covered under NH-NF.

 

The above is the impression I was always under although I'm unable to find language to that affect in the contract?

 

2. A pilot may use a Company staging jumpseat to position himself
in Memphis for the start of his scheduled trip in accordance with
the following:
a. The period beginning at scheduled showtime of a pilot’s
inbound jumpseat and ending 30 minutes after the scheduled
termination of his first duty period must be less than 13:30.
b. There must be at least 1:30 hours between the scheduled
block-in of the inbound jumpseat and the showtime of the
pilot’s trip.
c. A pilot positioning to Memphis on a Company jumpseat
shall take proactive steps to be aware of any circumstance
which could prevent his timely report to work (e.g., potential
maintenance, weather or FAA delays, reroutes). A pilot shall
notify CRS at the fi rst indication that a bump, cancellation,
reroute or delay of his inbound jumpseat may prevent him
from checking in by his scheduled showtime.
d. If a pilot positioning to Memphis on a Company jumpseat
consistent with the provisions of this paragraph cannot report
by showtime due to bump, cancellation, reroute or delay of
his inbound jumpseat, CRS may remove the pilot without
pay. If a pilot is removed under this paragraph, he shall be
eligible for make-up (and shall not be eligible for substitution).
There is no discipline associated with the removal if the pilot
followed the parameters described above.

As said above, just need to be assigned the trip before you stage, if you are still on Reserve when staging in the terms of NHNF do not apply.