A few random questions and points...
09-11-2008, 05:14 PM
#31
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Originally Posted by Worldguy
Just preface your posts. That isn't too difficult is it. Otherwise, the forum is open, within the bounds of the TOS, which by the way have already been violated. Just enjoy your whine already.
PS: I did not address MDM
PS: I did not address MDM
Prefacing the posts is a courtesy, not a requirement. The company Albie works for isn't a secret to any regular reader of the cargo forum. Given the consistent lack of recognition of familiar posters on your part and the never ending whine about which airline is this about I have to wonder what your intention is.
Personally, I thought seeing your standing bid was funny, as was the passover comment.
But, then, you continued on.
09-11-2008, 05:20 PM
#32
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The thing that blows my mind is that evidently, our block 11 rep, (JG) must know something we do not, since he feels that it's ok to bid 777 without a negotiated payrate. We are a pathetic group.
09-11-2008, 05:29 PM
#33
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Originally Posted by Albief15
Where does power come from, the members or the leadership? When we quit looking at each other to go first and instead look in the mirror and decide what WE already KNOW we should or should not do, then we will have a mature union. We are almost there, but not quite yet.
Put me down for 777
09-11-2008, 06:29 PM
#34
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Originally Posted by Gunter
What exactly are we going to do if the company puts the bid out and starts training guys without a better pay rate?
Do you think the union would ask us to do anything? How many do you think would jump on the bandwagon?
Do you think the union would ask us to do anything? How many do you think would jump on the bandwagon?
Unfortunately (very nfortunately) the contract allows the Company to put the 777 (or any new aircraft) in service without a negotiated pay rate.
Yes it does say that after a certain period that we will go to arbitration if a rate has not been agreed to, but unfortuantely after a Bid has come out, after pilots have been trained and after it has already flown revenue.
The Union shouldn't have to (and my guess is they won't) tell anyone anything in this case.
Everyone knows what should be done. The 777 isn't in my standing bid.
I like the md-11
09-11-2008, 08:12 PM
#36
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Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r
I think you should re-read the contract.
Unfortunately (very nfortunately) the contract allows the Company to put the 777 (or any new aircraft) in service without a negotiated pay rate.
Yes it does say that after a certain period that we will go to arbitration if a rate has not been agreed to, but unfortuantely after a Bid has come out, after pilots have been trained and after it has already flown revenue.
The Union shouldn't have to (and my guess is they won't) tell anyone anything in this case.
Everyone knows what should be done. The 777 isn't in my standing bid.
I like the md-11
Unfortunately (very nfortunately) the contract allows the Company to put the 777 (or any new aircraft) in service without a negotiated pay rate.
Yes it does say that after a certain period that we will go to arbitration if a rate has not been agreed to, but unfortuantely after a Bid has come out, after pilots have been trained and after it has already flown revenue.
The Union shouldn't have to (and my guess is they won't) tell anyone anything in this case.
Everyone knows what should be done. The 777 isn't in my standing bid.
I like the md-11
09-11-2008, 08:30 PM
#37
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Originally Posted by fedupbusdriver
The thing that blows my mind is that evidently, our block 11 rep, (JG) must know something we do not, since he feels that it's ok to bid 777 without a negotiated payrate. We are a pathetic group.
09-12-2008, 12:01 AM
#38
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Position: 777 Captain
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When our union was negotiating the FDA LOA's, one of the first communications I received (from my union) was how swell things were going..and how the discussions were progressing in "a spirit of cooperation". I don't pay dues for that cooperative spirit. The company should be bow legged, limping and in sore need of a drink when they go home every day during negotiations! By nature they are (or should be anyhow) two opposing forces. I would hope that the 777 pay rate negotiations are contentious, aggressive and mutually antagonistic. Do what you are paid to do. Represent the interests of the pilots that elected you.
The 777 is not in my standing bid.
The 777 is not in my standing bid.
09-12-2008, 11:17 AM
#39
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Originally Posted by Worldguy
No offense LW, but let me be the first to say that "you must have been turned down by the big Fred, else you would know you place on this forum." Get purple or get out.
09-12-2008, 11:58 AM
#40
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Originally Posted by sixtysevenhertz
When our union was negotiating the FDA LOA's, one of the first communications I received (from my union) was how swell things were going..and how the discussions were progressing in "a spirit of cooperation". I don't pay dues for that cooperative spirit. The company should be bow legged, limping and in sore need of a drink when they go home every day during negotiations! By nature they are (or should be anyhow) two opposing forces. I would hope that the 777 pay rate negotiations are contentious, aggressive and mutually antagonistic. Do what you are paid to do. Represent the interests of the pilots that elected you.
The 777 is not in my standing bid.
The 777 is not in my standing bid.
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