TonyC

I've read this, and reread it, and then reread it several more times. All I can think of is one word:

medications




cub pilot - - I was serious about my offer of the DVD. Just tell me where to mail it.








- The truth only hurts if it should -

RAC396

Hear Is your education.
Up or out was never a serious demand, it would not work with our wide/narrow body payscale. How-many people have ever been terminated for max training failures over their lifetime. Now we have train to prof. so the 1% who show up unprepared will have no reason to crack a book. Concessions? A cut in override for SO flexes,a further cut for SO SCA's. Pay for off station training from 6hrs to R day value, no fly days until the third month flexed to training combined with a new minimum number of hrs to fly. A provision to keep you in the training department past your requested date to return to the line, and withhold any passover pay they were getting paid. The things you say they didn't get they never expected. they were throw aways. The union caved, on sec 11, and now Mangt. is testing to see what else they will cave on.

Ranger

Oh, so you're a flex guy! Now I get it.

Please. I would hardly call changes to what has traditionally one of the great ways to steal $$$ at FedEx concessionary. It effects a small number of people and is not life altering to the average line pilot. Show me something that blows the average line guy out of the water and maybe I'll get excited. And please don't misunderstand me. I'm not happy that changes were made that would negatively impact some people. But I sure don't think those changes make that section of the contract concessionary.

Maybe these "concessions" will blow some of the people that have squatted in training for 10-15 years out of the water. I don't think that's a particularly bad thing.

cub pilot

TonyC,
Your personal attacks on me are not professional. If someone were a disgruntled employee and wanted to be left alone, a doctor might suggest medications. I merely reccomended that this disgruntled individual get a life outside the cockpit. For this advice, I need medications. I am satisfied and happy in my job. The FedEx company atlhough not perfect, beats my previous employer who declared bankrupcy. It is not fun taking a 100% pay cut and going to work in the Memphis hub at age 45.
Tony, Try and give me facts rather than emotion. I plan on watching the DVD. cub

dckozak

Well first I'd like to welcome you to the Airline Pilot central forum. I see you have four posts under your belt, can we expect to see more opinions from you about Pilot issues?? By the way, you are not a Pilot are you??



Let met apologize for the disgraceful behavior of one of my fellow cohorts.
Your not the first non pilot jumpseat to have an less than pleasant jumpseat experience riding on one of our jumpseats. One poor soul became so ill during their flight they threw up on the shoulder of the captain. I'm sure he too was doing something that created a less than desirable flight experience. Other jumpseater's have taken their displeasure on their free flight by eating the crews catering. Maybe someone else on this Airline Pilot BB could give move vivid examples of non pilot jumpseat torment.



OK NOW YOUR GETTING PERSONAL, WE THE FedEx Pilots on this bullet board are professionals we know where our $$$ comes from. NO FedEx pilot is doing anything that will/has affected the operational integrity of our company.

Well thank you for taking the time and effort to enlighten us and to share your jumpseating experience, that was most insightful. And as far as unions go, don't worry about us worrying about you. I'm guessing your a FedEx manager and looking out for your couriers is low on your list of priorities. By the way, did I remember to tell you this is a Pilot forum??

SleepyF18

Section 11 Re-Education

Caved?? Only if you think batting .900 is caving


Let's look at what we got in Section 11.
---Train To Proficiency, no more Train To Failure
---Training Review Board made up of two ALPA (Training Committee Chair/Human Performance Group Chair)/two Training Pilots (MD of Flt Training, MD of Flight Stds)
---Seniority bidding for recurrent training, vice needs of the company
---No more hidden "private contracts" between Instructors and Management
---Captain LCA override increased $500/mo
---Captain SCA override increased an additional $500/mo
---Ability for Flex Instructors to become Super Flexes (one month Flex Instructor/one month LCA/one month flying the line, rinse and repeat)
---Ability for ITU students to "audit" their upcoming aircraft training events
---Up to 2/yr the pilot may request proficiency training in the simulator in the month preceding their recurrent training
---S/Os may request up to twice a year basic airmanship proficiency retention training

Looks pretty damn positive to me, and even to most instructors after you get past the offsite training part.

Now on the other hand, how mad are you at the company continuing to espouse the same position as last April 29th and last September?
--Still the same 15% pay raise (which equated to a less than inflation pay raise last April, even more so now).
--They now want to pay the A380 at the same pay rate as the MD-11/DC-10/A300???
--An almost 500% increase in health care premiums plus increases in deductibles and co-pays??
--Paying for your retiree health care out of your current Sick Bank, but only if you don't get sick while you are an active pilot?? And then forgoing your excess sick bank payouts into your B Fund to fund your retiree health care??
--Not a single change to any retirement provisions??
--Still no addressing our concerns on international scope??

The company feels that they can continue to blow off the Negotiating Committee because they think when the (*&^ hits the fan, you will fold up like a house of cards. I guess that they are right about some of us, but as the polling guy at the Rally said, the company is wrong about the super-majority.

TonyC

cub pilot,

I wasn't suggesting that you need medications; I was positing with tongue in cheek the possibility that you had missed a regular dose when you composed your last post. It made no sense. I couldn't tell who you were talking to, or who you were talking about, or what your point was. It sounded like someone half asleep and half drunk. I apologize if my attempt at wit offended you.

You and I have more in common than you might realize. I've been through the 100% pay cut event, and I've worked Ground Ops, and I'm glad to have the job I have. That does NOT mean, however, that I'm prepared to bend over and take whatever Fred has to offer.

Emotion? Facts? Friend, I'm giving straight facts. If you find anything that I post to be lacking factually, I challenge you to point it out. Show me where it's wrong. If anything, my arguments are subdued because I insist on objectivity. While I might be passionate about the document that controls my present and future lifestyle, I'm too much of a natural skeptic to be fooled by either "side's" bologna. I have several union volunteers that will attest to my willingness to challenge what needs to be challenged, regardless of who says it.



I'm glad to hear you're willing to view the March 5 SPC Rally DVD. Do you have a copy (why has it taken so long to view it?) or do you need me to mail you a copy?



Oh, and by the way. Why did you spend 36 months in the hub, when 12 months is the min? The last 24 months must have been long ones.






- The truth only hurts if it should -

TonyC

Sleepy,

Thanks for jumping in on Section 11. How anyone can claim that it is concessionary is just beyond me, but I seriously needed a nap.


Having been a Flex, I am sensitive to Section 11. Although I'm not in the training department now, I would still take any attacks on it personally. Section 11 is not an attack in any way. Section 11 of "The Agreement" under which we live today, minus the POPA LOA, was concessionary. This one is not.

One of the problems that the crew force in general has with Flex Instructors in general is legitimacy. How can he teach the GPS to Subic when he hasn't seen anything other than Orlando Out-and-backs in the past 7 years? I believe having the opportunity to fly more will benefit everyone. It might make a few Flex Instructors uncomfortable, but that's another story.







- The truth only hurts if it should -

cub pilot

FedEx Express pilot's statement on a recent posting:

“How mad are you at the company continuing to espouse the same position?

--Still the same 15% pay raise

--Pay the A380 at the same pay rate as the MD-11/DC-10/A300?

--500% increase in health care premiums plus increases in deductibles and co pays?

--Paying for your retiree health care out of your current Sick Bank, but only if you don't get sick while you are an active pilot? And then forgoing your excess sick bank payouts into your B Fund to fund your retiree health care?

--Not a single change to any retirement provisions?

--Still no addressing our concerns on international scope?”

DAL, NWA, USAIR pilots reading this post would give anything to be in your position.

Fedex999999

What is/has happened at DAL, NWA, USAir is irrelevent to what we are doing at Fedex. It isn't the same industry, and we are not in Bankruptcy. We are making record multi-billion dollar profits. That wasn't a typo. Billion. And again, we aren't asking for a pay raise- we are asking for scope, healthcare, and retirement, and for the company to keep promises they have already made to us.

Before the passenger airlines had to take cut backs, their pilots were making a lot more than us- and we weren't whining about it. We are "the top of the industry" now only by default- only because UAL, DAL, NWA, CAL, ATA, USAir, AA, etc, have all taken cuts. We stayed in the same spot.

Fuel prices will hurt us, too- but while those airlines carry between 100 to 350 customers on each flight, we have thousands on board each plane (in the form of their boxes.) We can add a very small fuel surcharge onto the price without losing all our customers right away.