FDX - Excess Bid Strategies
02-26-2009, 07:04 PM
#31
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Originally Posted by FDX1
Yeah, I'm sure that would be about as well attended as your last LEC meeting in MEM.
02-26-2009, 07:44 PM
#32
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Joined APC: Mar 2006
Posts: 1,409
Originally Posted by FDX1
Honestly, I think they might just send you a copy of :
Sect 24 Filing of Vacancies
Section 11 Training
Section 6 Relocation Expenses
I just think there are too many variables regarding this issue and how each pilot is impacted may be somewhat different. There's a boat load of info to hunt through to make sure you don't screw the pooch on this thing all while trying to maximize your potential benefit, if there is one!
I think they would actually prefer to be called so you can speak of your specific situation with them rather than publishing a readers version digest and laundry list of what ifs.
But I understand we like(love) checklists and what to do in case of an emergency so we can be precise and accurate in our assessment... its in our blood. I'm just not sure if that will happen.
When I open the contract I just use the old "Find" tab and enter the word or phrase and it usually will bring you to all the applicable sections painfully, one at a time. Then I just make my own notes.
Sect 24 Filing of Vacancies
Section 11 Training
Section 6 Relocation Expenses
I just think there are too many variables regarding this issue and how each pilot is impacted may be somewhat different. There's a boat load of info to hunt through to make sure you don't screw the pooch on this thing all while trying to maximize your potential benefit, if there is one!
I think they would actually prefer to be called so you can speak of your specific situation with them rather than publishing a readers version digest and laundry list of what ifs.
But I understand we like(love) checklists and what to do in case of an emergency so we can be precise and accurate in our assessment... its in our blood. I'm just not sure if that will happen.
When I open the contract I just use the old "Find" tab and enter the word or phrase and it usually will bring you to all the applicable sections painfully, one at a time. Then I just make my own notes.
02-26-2009, 09:51 PM
#33
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Position: MD11 FO
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As I understand it from the CBA in order to get your home bought you have to
a) be within 100 miles of base (that takes out 2/3 of MEM pilots from the start and about 50% of LAX pilots) and
b) move to the new base within 100 miles - that means move you and your family I believe. Can't just buy a crashpad in ANC and keep the wife in MEM. If she's listed as a dependent on your insurance I believe they can ask for proof of residency.
Do you really think even 25% of those displaced will fall into this category?
a) be within 100 miles of base (that takes out 2/3 of MEM pilots from the start and about 50% of LAX pilots) and
b) move to the new base within 100 miles - that means move you and your family I believe. Can't just buy a crashpad in ANC and keep the wife in MEM. If she's listed as a dependent on your insurance I believe they can ask for proof of residency.
Do you really think even 25% of those displaced will fall into this category?
02-27-2009, 04:33 AM
#34
Fill'er Up Again
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: Scarebus Captain
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BID TO RELIEVE!
Another airplane and/or domicile! That is the best strategy that I can find. Make this one cost big bucks! Even the FCIF recognizes the power of 'Bid to Relieve' and the complexity that it creates!
Another airplane and/or domicile! That is the best strategy that I can find. Make this one cost big bucks! Even the FCIF recognizes the power of 'Bid to Relieve' and the complexity that it creates!
02-27-2009, 04:42 AM
#35
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Position: 757 Captain
Posts: 47
Originally Posted by FrankTheTank
BID TO RELIEVE!
Another airplane and/or domicile! That is the best strategy that I can find. Make this one cost big bucks! Even the FCIF recognizes the power of 'Bid to Relieve' and the complexity that it creates!
Another airplane and/or domicile! That is the best strategy that I can find. Make this one cost big bucks! Even the FCIF recognizes the power of 'Bid to Relieve' and the complexity that it creates!
02-27-2009, 06:02 AM
#37
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Position: MD-11 Capt
Posts: 68
Originally Posted by Tuck
As I understand it from the CBA in order to get your home bought you have to
a) be within 100 miles of base (that takes out 2/3 of MEM pilots from the start and about 50% of LAX pilots) and
b) move to the new base within 100 miles - that means move you and your family I believe. Can't just buy a crashpad in ANC and keep the wife in MEM. If she's listed as a dependent on your insurance I believe they can ask for proof of residency.
Do you really think even 25% of those displaced will fall into this category?
a) be within 100 miles of base (that takes out 2/3 of MEM pilots from the start and about 50% of LAX pilots) and
b) move to the new base within 100 miles - that means move you and your family I believe. Can't just buy a crashpad in ANC and keep the wife in MEM. If she's listed as a dependent on your insurance I believe they can ask for proof of residency.
Do you really think even 25% of those displaced will fall into this category?
6.B.2. Distance Limitations
A pilot shall not be entitled to a move package unless:
a. the domicile (or base in the case of an FDA) to which he is moving is more than 50 nautical miles from his current domicile (or base in the case of an FDA); and
b. the permanent residence to which he is moving is more than 50 nautical miles from his current permanent residence; and
c. the domicile (or base in the case of an FDA) to which he is moving is more than 50 nautical miles from his current permanent residence; and
d. the residence to which he is moving is within 100 nautical miles of the domicile (or base in the case of an FDA) to which he is moving; and
e. the residence to which he is moving is in the same country as the base.
So yes, you do have to move within 100 miles of new domicile, but no your present home doesn't have to be within 100 miles of current domicile. There is a "crash pad" move option you are also eligible for.
Yes, I do think well over 25% will fall into this category. Whether they will avail themselves of it remains to be seen. If you commute to MEM, you could probable commute to ANC. Commuting to HKG, not really an option.
Bottom line, if you are looking at this as a way to "scam" the company for extra bucks, you'll be disappointed. If you are actually looking for assistance for a bona-vide move, it's pretty reasonable. IMHO
02-27-2009, 07:46 AM
#38
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Joined APC: Mar 2006
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Originally Posted by Brad4est
Not quite accurate. The relevant bit from the contract states:
6.B.2. Distance Limitations
A pilot shall not be entitled to a move package unless:
a. the domicile (or base in the case of an FDA) to which he is moving is more than 50 nautical miles from his current domicile (or base in the case of an FDA); and
b. the permanent residence to which he is moving is more than 50 nautical miles from his current permanent residence; and
c. the domicile (or base in the case of an FDA) to which he is moving is more than 50 nautical miles from his current permanent residence; and
d. the residence to which he is moving is within 100 nautical miles of the domicile (or base in the case of an FDA) to which he is moving; and
e. the residence to which he is moving is in the same country as the base.
So yes, you do have to move within 100 miles of new domicile, but no your present home doesn't have to be within 100 miles of current domicile. There is a "crash pad" move option you are also eligible for.
Yes, I do think well over 25% will fall into this category. Whether they will avail themselves of it remains to be seen. If you commute to MEM, you could probable commute to ANC. Commuting to HKG, not really an option.
Bottom line, if you are looking at this as a way to "scam" the company for extra bucks, you'll be disappointed. If you are actually looking for assistance for a bona-vide move, it's pretty reasonable. IMHO
6.B.2. Distance Limitations
A pilot shall not be entitled to a move package unless:
a. the domicile (or base in the case of an FDA) to which he is moving is more than 50 nautical miles from his current domicile (or base in the case of an FDA); and
b. the permanent residence to which he is moving is more than 50 nautical miles from his current permanent residence; and
c. the domicile (or base in the case of an FDA) to which he is moving is more than 50 nautical miles from his current permanent residence; and
d. the residence to which he is moving is within 100 nautical miles of the domicile (or base in the case of an FDA) to which he is moving; and
e. the residence to which he is moving is in the same country as the base.
So yes, you do have to move within 100 miles of new domicile, but no your present home doesn't have to be within 100 miles of current domicile. There is a "crash pad" move option you are also eligible for.
Yes, I do think well over 25% will fall into this category. Whether they will avail themselves of it remains to be seen. If you commute to MEM, you could probable commute to ANC. Commuting to HKG, not really an option.
Bottom line, if you are looking at this as a way to "scam" the company for extra bucks, you'll be disappointed. If you are actually looking for assistance for a bona-vide move, it's pretty reasonable. IMHO
02-27-2009, 09:05 AM
#39
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Position: Scarebus Captain
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As opposed to involuntarily excessed? Please explain the advantage of your position (my ignorance - not doubting your posit). Gracias.
I am not very senior in seat but would likely keep it or at least I did on the last go around. So as to not confuse my motives, I intend to 'Bid to Relieve' to the MD-11.
02-27-2009, 09:15 AM
#40
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Excess bids are being planned based on modelling conducted with current standing bids. Posting 8-03 was cancelled before the bid closed because of the "apparent" cost of relocation and training. I doubt that will happen this time, but you never know. Uncertainty was the driving factor. Uncertainty is also being used to divide us. The modelling software doesn't care what you actually want to bid or what is best for your family. In the end, everyone will bid what is best for them on the final. What matters is what you bid while they are evaluating the numbers. If you change your standing bid before the excess is posted and then change it immediately before and after the practice bids it may render their modelling impotent.
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