FDX passover rumor
05-29-2006, 09:24 AM
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POPA/Passover LOA
Originally Posted by Nitefrater
I think the senior pilot will begin to accrue passover pay when the junior pilot activates, but he won't actually collect it until he himself activates...
See the last line from Redeye's contract quote.
See the last line from Redeye's contract quote.
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05-29-2006, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by FDXCapt
The Passover rules changed with the POPA/Passover LOA signed in November 2002.Check out page 5 of 8 for the applicable section.
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05-29-2006, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by FDXCapt
The Passover rules changed with the POPA/Passover LOA signed in November 2002.
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I was amazed that there was a link to that LOA - - I've always thought that the only copies of it were the ones we received in the mail to vote on. Your hyperlink caused me to go digging for it on the FedEx pilot website. I have always opened the PDF version of the contract - - never looked at the HTML version. Lo and behold, it is under the HTML link that we find hyperlinks to other useful documents, such as the LOAs.
Thanks for enlightening me.
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06-23-2006, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r
Not true.......there is no 1 for 1. Contractually....... Any senior Pilot who was awarded the same seat position and domicle as the jR pilot rates passover once the Junior Pilot is Activated......assuming the more Senior Pilot was witheld from training and did not waive passover during a training date swap.
Section 24 CBA
Except as provided in Section 24.D.2., D.3. and D.4., required training for a crew position shall be scheduled by system seniority, senior first, for that crew position.
Passover Pay Due To Junior Pilot's Early Activation
In case of a junior pilot's activation to a higher paying position out of seniority order, every senior pilot who meets the following prerequisites shall be paid as if he had activated in that higher paying position (passover pay):
the junior pilot and the senior pilot(s) hold an award for the same crew position; and
the junior pilot's award is from the same posting as the senior pilot's award or from a subsequent posting and
the Company chooses to activate the junior pilot prior to the senior pilot(s) and the junior pilot's activation delays the training and activation of the senior pilot(s); and
the senior pilot actually activates into his awarded crew position.
Section 24 CBA
Except as provided in Section 24.D.2., D.3. and D.4., required training for a crew position shall be scheduled by system seniority, senior first, for that crew position.
Passover Pay Due To Junior Pilot's Early Activation
In case of a junior pilot's activation to a higher paying position out of seniority order, every senior pilot who meets the following prerequisites shall be paid as if he had activated in that higher paying position (passover pay):
the junior pilot and the senior pilot(s) hold an award for the same crew position; and
the junior pilot's award is from the same posting as the senior pilot's award or from a subsequent posting and
the Company chooses to activate the junior pilot prior to the senior pilot(s) and the junior pilot's activation delays the training and activation of the senior pilot(s); and
the senior pilot actually activates into his awarded crew position.
Ok it is the last senrtence of those conditions that worry me. What if FedEx just creates additional classes for the newhires that were not orginally awarded in the posting. Since the senior pilots training date has not been chaged or "Delayed" a as a result of the junior pilots activation is passover pay still triggered?
06-23-2006, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by purple1day
Ok it is the last senrtence of those conditions that worry me. What if FedEx just creates additional classes for the newhires that were not orginally awarded in the posting. Since the senior pilots training date has not been chaged or "Delayed" a as a result of the junior pilots activation is passover pay still triggered?
If a Jr pilot is activated earlier than a Senior Pilot with an award to a specific A/C from the same or "subsequent" posting then that triggers passover to a senior Pilot with the award.
The problem I see is for newhires............If a new hire (hired this past Monday) gets placed on the 727 S/O but the following week the next new hire class all go to MD-11 FO ANC (Purple Nuggets). They are all Jr to the New hires from the week before..............Time will tell.
07-04-2006, 10:06 AM
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Passover question
I just looked at the LOA and Section 24 doesn't specify base assigned. Does that mean that the MEM guys waiting to train into the MD-11 will get passover when the first ANC nugget gets thru with IOE?
Last edited by Lifizgud; 07-05-2006 at 03:05 PM.
07-06-2006, 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Lifizgud
I just looked at the LOA and Section 24 doesn't specify base assigned. Does that mean that the MEM guys waiting to train into the MD-11 will get passover when the first ANC nugget gets thru with IOE?
07-06-2006, 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r
The problem I see is for newhires............If a new hire (hired this past Monday) gets placed on the 727 S/O but the following week the next new hire class all go to MD-11 FO ANC (Purple Nuggets). They are all Jr to the New hires from the week before..............Time will tell.
07-07-2006, 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r
It was Year 2 and beyond I was speaking of.
According to my sources at the schoolhouse, those MD nuggets will end when the ANC vacancies are filled.
Last edited by fdx727pilot; 07-07-2006 at 09:17 PM.
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