FDX- 2B or not 4A2B
08-10-2009, 10:19 AM
#21
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Originally Posted by FoxHunter
My guess is that an arbitrator will rule that they don't have to furlough out of HKG. Everyone had an oportunity to bid it.
...the Company shall furlough pilots in reverse order of system seniority as listed on the Master Seniority List. All pilots holding a seniority number at the time of furlough shall be subject to the provisions of Section 23 regardless of their employment status at that time...
08-10-2009, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
Darn that pesky CBA:
...the Company shall furlough pilots in reverse order of system seniority as listed on the Master Seniority List. All pilots holding a seniority number at the time of furlough shall be subject to the provisions of Section 23 regardless of their employment status at that time...
...the Company shall furlough pilots in reverse order of system seniority as listed on the Master Seniority List. All pilots holding a seniority number at the time of furlough shall be subject to the provisions of Section 23 regardless of their employment status at that time...
WARNING: Do not confuse FH with the facts in the CBA, he'll probably take some sort of unpredictable action against some unsuspecting f/o?
08-10-2009, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by jagplt
...wonder what the arbitrator is going to say about HKG. How can you furlough and still not be able to fill a domicile with the very folks you'll have to furlough...
Originally Posted by FoxHunter
My guess is that an arbitrator will rule that they don't have to furlough out of HKG. Everyone had an oportunity to bid it.
Originally Posted by FDXLAG
Darn that pesky CBA:
...the Company shall furlough pilots in reverse order of system seniority as listed on the Master Seniority List. All pilots holding a seniority number at the time of furlough shall be subject to the provisions of Section 23 regardless of their employment status at that time...
...the Company shall furlough pilots in reverse order of system seniority as listed on the Master Seniority List. All pilots holding a seniority number at the time of furlough shall be subject to the provisions of Section 23 regardless of their employment status at that time...
Of the bottom 300 crewmembers...Only about 15 are HKG F/Os''s. I would think if a furlough actually happened, they'd fill some of those slots in the excess. The rest would be SIBA'd. So, HKG wouldn't be a player in a decision.
I think the secret negotiating notes and recollections of intent, from the folks that were sitting at the table when this crap was put in the CBA, is going to be more of a factor. And we all know how management negotiators have recollected the intent in past hearings.
But who knows? That's why most times one side, and many times both parties, are afraid to go to arbitration. The decisions can sometimes be surprising to everyone. It could still be settled before a decision.
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08-10-2009, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
Probably right about the results but of the bottom 300 (4321-4621) 32 are on the hkg list as of the last practice bid.
But, you're right..Iwas talking about current HKG F/Os.
08-10-2009, 01:34 PM
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Todays message.
An additional session is set for October 1-2 for additional management testimony and ALPA rebuttal testimony. We will keep you apprised of the progress of this arbitration, but this is unfortunately a lengthy process. A final resolution will be unlikely until sometime next year.
An additional session is set for October 1-2 for additional management testimony and ALPA rebuttal testimony. We will keep you apprised of the progress of this arbitration, but this is unfortunately a lengthy process. A final resolution will be unlikely until sometime next year.
08-10-2009, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Busboy
I think the secret negotiating notes and recollections of intent, from the folks that were sitting at the table when this crap was put in the CBA, is going to be more of a factor. And we all know how management negotiators have recollected the intent in past hearings.
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