Amerijet STRIKE!
08-30-2009 | 08:07 PM
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08-30-2009 | 09:13 PM
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What do you mean you can't blame them? Witch hunt? Dude your talking bread of of someones table for your own gain. If you fly struck goods your a scab. If you cross a picket line your a scab. Don't forget it because it will haunt you the rest of your career. I would bet that every union member here has seen or heard of a new hire that was jerked out of class after it was found they were scabs. Management doesn't want them and the pilots don't want them. You will never jumpseat on any union airline. (unless it has a thru stop where they can boot you off).
So can you think of any reason not to cross picket lines yet? If your working for a non union outfit that needs to pick up flying for Amerijet, then you might as well go and punch out now.
Go walk the picket line with the Amerijet guys. Show you have some balls.
So can you think of any reason not to cross picket lines yet? If your working for a non union outfit that needs to pick up flying for Amerijet, then you might as well go and punch out now.
Go walk the picket line with the Amerijet guys. Show you have some balls.
Will the IBT get me a new job when they fire me for refusing to fly? Will the IBT pay my bills? With no protection there isnt much I can do for you besides support you in other ways.
If the Aeroservice guys volunteered then shame on them but if their company assigned them the trip with no union there isnt much they can do. That goes for any company with no union... You cant expect someone to tow the line for you with everything to lose and nothing to gain. If they refuse they get fired and there wont be any union paying them, nor will the union get them a new job.
08-30-2009 | 09:16 PM
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There isnt. If your company wants to fire you for refusing to fly they can and will and the unions cannot do anything to protect you since you are not a member.
08-30-2009 | 09:18 PM
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What do you mean you can't blame them? Witch hunt? Dude your talking bread of of someones table for your own gain. If you fly struck goods your a scab. If you cross a picket line your a scab. Don't forget it because it will haunt you the rest of your career. I would bet that every union member here has seen or heard of a new hire that was jerked out of class after it was found they were scabs. Management doesn't want them and the pilots don't want them. You will never jumpseat on any union airline. (unless it has a thru stop where they can boot you off).
So can you think of any reason not to cross picket lines yet? If your working for a non union outfit that needs to pick up flying for Amerijet, then you might as well go and punch out now.
Go walk the picket line with the Amerijet guys. Show you have some balls.
So can you think of any reason not to cross picket lines yet? If your working for a non union outfit that needs to pick up flying for Amerijet, then you might as well go and punch out now.
Go walk the picket line with the Amerijet guys. Show you have some balls.
A non union pilot however does not have much of a choice if their company threatens them.
Will your union get them a job when the strike ends? Will your union pay them strike pay if they get fired to help you? Doubt it.
08-30-2009 | 09:51 PM
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I will agree that a replacement worker is a scab, and any union pilot that flys struck freight is a scab.
A non union pilot however does not have much of a choice if their company threatens them.
Will your union get them a job when the strike ends? Will your union pay them strike pay if they get fired to help you? Doubt it.
A non union pilot however does not have much of a choice if their company threatens them.
Will your union get them a job when the strike ends? Will your union pay them strike pay if they get fired to help you? Doubt it.
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08-30-2009 | 10:02 PM
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If I were at a union airline with some protection then of course I would refuse to fly.
Remember, Amerijet pilots that are on strike will have something to go back to after the strike (hopefully). All union pilots who refuse to fly struck freight will have jobs after the strike. But, a non union pilot who decides to fall on the sword wont have a job to go back to and the union will not support them because they are not members.
The real question is...
How can you look at YOURSELF in the mirror when you caused someone to lose their job by asking them to do something that would get them fired with no protection?
08-30-2009 | 10:18 PM
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I will agree that a replacement worker is a scab, and any union pilot that flys struck freight is a scab.
A non union pilot however does not have much of a choice if their company threatens them.
Will your union get them a job when the strike ends? Will your union pay them strike pay if they get fired to help you? Doubt it.
A non union pilot however does not have much of a choice if their company threatens them.
Will your union get them a job when the strike ends? Will your union pay them strike pay if they get fired to help you? Doubt it.
08-31-2009 | 01:02 AM
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Anthony210… you, and others in your situation, do have a difficult dilemma. Flying for a non union company, you have no guaranties of continued employment. Florida is a right to work state, and you can be fired without cause and without arbitration. In the current situation, you’re merely a pawn of your company, and indirectly of Amerijet too. Knowingly flying Amerijet’s struck freight, while it is not your choice or intention however, you are affirming the management of AJT’s position and eroding the chances of those AJT pilots on strike from getting a fair deal they deserve. Give the striking pilots a chance to succeed.
Look… nobody can predict the outcome of the strike. I hope, with the aid of the IBT, these guys will be recognized as heroes, and job assistance will be provided should they have to seek employment elsewhere. Remember Anthony210, the AJT pilots on strike are not only fighting for their very existence and rights, but are opening a door for other union shops as well as those who are seeking to organize for a better quality of life and dignity in the work place. These guys are treading on ground where other were others feared to do so for so many years.
Anyway, Anthony210, with the modern technology out there today, with digital cameras, cell phones, and the internet, there is a good chance that you, even as a collateral bystander, may have your picture added to the hall of shame, should you fly struck cargo. This will have a more devastating effect on your career than being fired for refusing to fly struck freight. You will command the support and respect from your fellow colleagues. At the end of the day… you do have a choice.
Good luck to you.
Look… nobody can predict the outcome of the strike. I hope, with the aid of the IBT, these guys will be recognized as heroes, and job assistance will be provided should they have to seek employment elsewhere. Remember Anthony210, the AJT pilots on strike are not only fighting for their very existence and rights, but are opening a door for other union shops as well as those who are seeking to organize for a better quality of life and dignity in the work place. These guys are treading on ground where other were others feared to do so for so many years.
Anyway, Anthony210, with the modern technology out there today, with digital cameras, cell phones, and the internet, there is a good chance that you, even as a collateral bystander, may have your picture added to the hall of shame, should you fly struck cargo. This will have a more devastating effect on your career than being fired for refusing to fly struck freight. You will command the support and respect from your fellow colleagues. At the end of the day… you do have a choice.
Good luck to you.
08-31-2009 | 02:09 AM
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Anthony210… you, and others in your situation, do have a difficult dilemma. Flying for a non union company, you have no guaranties of continued employment. Florida is a right to work state, and you can be fired without cause and without arbitration. In the current situation, you’re merely a pawn of your company, and indirectly of Amerijet too. Knowingly flying Amerijet’s struck freight, while it is not your choice or intention however, you are affirming the management of AJT’s position and eroding the chances of those AJT pilots on strike from getting a fair deal they deserve. Give the striking pilots a chance to succeed.
Look… nobody can predict the outcome of the strike. I hope, with the aid of the IBT, these guys will be recognized as heroes, and job assistance will be provided should they have to seek employment elsewhere. Remember Anthony210, the AJT pilots on strike are not only fighting for their very existence and rights, but are opening a door for other union shops as well as those who are seeking to organize for a better quality of life and dignity in the work place. These guys are treading on ground where other were others feared to do so for so many years.
Anyway, Anthony210, with the modern technology out there today, with digital cameras, cell phones, and the internet, there is a good chance that you, even as a collateral bystander, may have your picture added to the hall of shame, should you fly struck cargo. This will have a more devastating effect on your career than being fired for refusing to fly struck freight. You will command the support and respect from your fellow colleagues. At the end of the day… you do have a choice.
Good luck to you.
Look… nobody can predict the outcome of the strike. I hope, with the aid of the IBT, these guys will be recognized as heroes, and job assistance will be provided should they have to seek employment elsewhere. Remember Anthony210, the AJT pilots on strike are not only fighting for their very existence and rights, but are opening a door for other union shops as well as those who are seeking to organize for a better quality of life and dignity in the work place. These guys are treading on ground where other were others feared to do so for so many years.
Anyway, Anthony210, with the modern technology out there today, with digital cameras, cell phones, and the internet, there is a good chance that you, even as a collateral bystander, may have your picture added to the hall of shame, should you fly struck cargo. This will have a more devastating effect on your career than being fired for refusing to fly struck freight. You will command the support and respect from your fellow colleagues. At the end of the day… you do have a choice.
Good luck to you.
I have worked for both union and non-union airlines. It always amazes me how the lectures start from those safely employed.
While I agree with everything you say, the truth is that many scabs have been hired, few have been fired, and those who make sacrifices are soon forgotten. Such is the profession we have chosen.
By the way, I noticed there was no support from ALPA national mentioned, along with DAL and UAL. Where are they?
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