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Old 08-31-2009 | 02:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Readback
Very noble, considering the fact you have a job!
Not knowing your currrent employment status, I really can't comment totally on your statement.

Why the anger Readback? I am self employed, and contract my services, via employment agencies, to airlines round the world. Back in the day, I worked for an ALPA carrier. Do to more money going out faster than money coming in, crews were offered a voluntary leave… so I took it. I explored the contract pilot route. I took a shot at it, knowing I would be eligible for recall to airline. In the day contracted pay and benefits were comparable if not better than that of US carriers. I chose to pass on my 3 recalls as I was enjoying seeing the world someone else’s nickel. That’s where I’ve been for the majority of my career. I did return to the US to fly with a US carrier, but became bored with the mundane and am once again overseas.

Gainfully employed you say??? for the next year I am. There is no guaranty of contract renewal with airline. With that being said I am contently searching the horizons for new jobs every few years.

As a sidebar, one employment agency I was aligned with inquired if I would take assignment with a non-US carrier. I did some research on the prospective project only to learn that the pilots were going to go on strike. Ergo, I declined the invitation. I have never heard from that employment agency again. Oh well. As the number of pilots on the street are increasing and the opportunities are decreasing it is getting harder to negotiate the same terms of conditions. But that’s my problem and not yours Readback… now isn’t it?

Anyway, Readback, good luck to you and I have you have a long, happy and fulfilling career.


By the way, I noticed there was no support from ALPA national mentioned, along with DAL and UAL. Where are they?
I don't know. Perhaps you can make that enquiry with your fellow airmen and colleagues who are employed by ALPA carriers.
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Old 08-31-2009 | 03:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Readback

By the way, I noticed there was no support from ALPA national mentioned, along with DAL and UAL. Where are they?
To hear it from one of their better known ALPA apologists; they're waiting for a written letter of invitation.

Pretty pathetic. The interesting part is that a lot of support has come from the smaller ALPA carriers and pilots who have the most to lose. Good on them!

This just showed up on YouTube....send it to everyone you know!

Got pee?? This needs to go viral
Yes, Amerijet is not a major. But they are brothers and sisters and are now on the pointy end of the spear and on strike. We all need to support them like so many of our fellow major carrier compatriots are.

Take a minute and watch this video. Think about being in their shoes. Then send it to EVERYONE you know...including your legislators and the FAA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZFMLh_tZtM
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Old 08-31-2009 | 04:48 AM
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Originally Posted by anthony210
I will agree that a replacement worker is a scab, and any union pilot that flys struck freight is a scab.

A non union pilot however does not have much of a choice if their company threatens them.

Will your union get them a job when the strike ends? Will your union pay them strike pay if they get fired to help you? Doubt it.
Everyone makes choices.

I am sure you can find an excuse to cross a picket line. In the meantime enjoy the benefits union pilots have brought to the industry that have spilled over to the nonunion pilots.
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Old 08-31-2009 | 05:05 AM
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Originally Posted by anthony210
If my company decides to pick up freight from Amerijet there is nothing I can do about it as a non union airline. If I were to refuse to fly, I would be fired on the spot most likely, and your union will do nothing about it. They wont pay my bills and they wont get me a new job.

Will the IBT get me a new job when they fire me for refusing to fly? Will the IBT pay my bills? With no protection there isnt much I can do for you besides support you in other ways.

If the Aeroservice guys volunteered then shame on them but if their company assigned them the trip with no union there isnt much they can do. That goes for any company with no union... You cant expect someone to tow the line for you with everything to lose and nothing to gain. If they refuse they get fired and there wont be any union paying them, nor will the union get them a new job.
Why are you even posting on here? Are you just looking for some validation of your position? Do you want someone to say "go ahead and fly, cross the picket line, your non-union so thats ok?" Would that give you the excuse you need? Would that take the responsibility off of you?
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Old 08-31-2009 | 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by anthony210
If my company decides to pick up freight from Amerijet there is nothing I can do about it as a non union airline. If I were to refuse to fly, I would be fired on the spot most likely, and your union will do nothing about it. They wont pay my bills and they wont get me a new job.

Will the IBT get me a new job when they fire me for refusing to fly? Will the IBT pay my bills? With no protection there isnt much I can do for you besides support you in other ways.

If the Aeroservice guys volunteered then shame on them but if their company assigned them the trip with no union there isnt much they can do. That goes for any company with no union... You cant expect someone to tow the line for you with everything to lose and nothing to gain. If they refuse they get fired and there wont be any union paying them, nor will the union get them a new job.
Anthony,

If you weren't working for your current employer. But, they suddenly started hiring...

Would you take a job with them if you knew it was to fly AJT's freight?

Think about it.
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Old 08-31-2009 | 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by anthony210
I will agree that a replacement worker is a scab, and any union pilot that flys struck freight is a scab.

A non union pilot however does not have much of a choice if their company threatens them.

Will your union get them a job when the strike ends? Will your union pay them strike pay if they get fired to help you? Doubt it.

You need to work with your fellow pilots at the company that you work for to make sure that you don't cross a picket by flying struck freight. If your fellow pilots won't work with you on this you probably have a bigger problem.
If you look at the header paragraph on the jumpseat protection list (aka scab list) you will find that your definition of scab is not the definition that determines who can end up on this list .
You do have a choice.
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Old 08-31-2009 | 06:11 AM
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Put it this way. It's a pay now or pay later situation and the pay later option has a whole lot more interest riding along with it. Interest that is damning to your career and your name. You will forever be judged in this industry by flying even one leg of struck work.. Do you want your name on that list?
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Old 08-31-2009 | 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by anthony210
If my company decides to pick up freight from Amerijet there is nothing I can do about it as a non union airline. If I were to refuse to fly, I would be fired on the spot most likely, and your union will do nothing about it. They wont pay my bills and they wont get me a new job.

Will the IBT get me a new job when they fire me for refusing to fly? Will the IBT pay my bills? With no protection there isnt much I can do for you besides support you in other ways.

If the Aeroservice guys volunteered then shame on them but if their company assigned them the trip with no union there isnt much they can do. That goes for any company with no union... You cant expect someone to tow the line for you with everything to lose and nothing to gain. If they refuse they get fired and there wont be any union paying them, nor will the union get them a new job.
Anthony, I have to disagree. There are only two things in life you can give away by being stupid.

First, your licenses by breaking the FAR's or letting someone pressure you into it if you want to keep your job.

The second is your dignity and self respect. You do that by crossing a picket line. Because someone says, "fly it or else."

You can rationalize all you want, but the simple fact is once you do it, the next time, they'll hit you with the same threat. What will you do then/ Refuse? They'll remind you of what you did before. Then one day you'll wale up and find your life has been a career of crap jobs, where you've spent your life caving in and compromising your principals for a paycheck.

How can I say that? Simple. I've walked away from those jobs. The feeling of self worth as I walked out the door was immeasurable. And today, I can look back at those people who threatened me, who are STILL trying to make it in the "big leagues."

We can't make your decision for you. The measure of a man is how he faces adversity. The Amerijet pilots are showing the world what they are made of.

As for you?

You decide.
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Old 08-31-2009 | 06:14 AM
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I am not looking for any validation to cross a picket line...

My company is not flying any struck freight at the moment. However we do fly out of MIA and to some of the same destinations that Amerijet flys to.

What your asking us to do would be to pretty much quit, which is kind of a rediculous thing for anyone to ask, especially with this economy. If our CP knows there is struck freight and he says fly then we gotta fly or quit...



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Old 08-31-2009 | 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Busboy
Anthony,

If you weren't working for your current employer. But, they suddenly started hiring...

Would you take a job with them if you knew it was to fly AJT's freight?

Think about it.
No. Why would anybody take a job to fly somebody elses freight while they are on strike? My self respect is worth more then what you get paid.

I already work for a company that wants to fly AJT's freight. Pilots won't do it. They walk the picket line with Amerijet pilots. Do you not think they everyone of those Amerijet pilots has put his/her job on the line?
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