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Old 10-23-2009 | 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by FXDX
Link? can't find it.

A Captains only maybe?
Training and Standards, MD11, Comm Updates


When I read it, I could not believe that it passed the scrutiny required to make it onto the company website, but then again.........
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Old 10-23-2009 | 04:45 PM
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It's not always easy to express your thoughts on paper or via an email for that matter but I pretty much understand his "intent" in the latest Comm Update. Basically, if you feel the flight path of the aircraft is not going as planned then simply announce a "Go-around" and discuss it in a safer environment.

I'm not really understanding why people are getting their feathers so ruffled? Safety first, right? Ego's left on the ground, right?
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Old 10-23-2009 | 04:47 PM
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Message I got out of it was that F/O's can speak up if they see errors, but in reality, they are really just along for the ride --- ie. F/O's are no more than "B......'in Betty".

Not sure if that was their intent, but that's the "wink, wink" message that I got out of it.

(Note: May have gone to Capt's only. I haven't spoken with an F/O who has seen it)
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Old 10-23-2009 | 04:48 PM
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Found it, thanks.

Interesting.
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Old 10-23-2009 | 04:55 PM
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Training and Standards, MD-11, Comm Updates.

In a previous life, I used to brief the greenest co-pilot/First Officer: "I am very fallible and have made many mistakes in the past and will definitely make many more in the future. You are a qualified pilot. Do what it takes to save us both. If we lose this gig, we can always pump gas, but at least we'll be alive."

Fly safe, folks.

[And to paraphrase the old home defense saw, "Better to be judged by 12 ACPs than carried by six"]
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Old 10-23-2009 | 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by FXDX
Found it, thanks.

Interesting.
Not as interesting as your new avatar!!
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Old 10-23-2009 | 05:00 PM
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Giddy Up!!!!
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Old 10-23-2009 | 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by MalteseX
Message I got out of it was that F/O's can speak up if they see errors, but in reality, they are really just along for the ride --- ie. F/O's are no more than "B......'in Betty".

Not sure if that was their intent, but that's the "wink, wink" message that I got out of it.

(Note: May have gone to Capt's only. I haven't spoken with an F/O who has seen it)
I'm an F/O and it was sent to me. The overall intent was on point except the "you better be right" comment. Just my opinion though.
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Old 10-23-2009 | 07:43 PM
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Agreed. The "you better be right" basically negates anything said before it. It chills and intimidates leading to indecision at precisely the wrong moment.
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Old 10-23-2009 | 07:56 PM
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"Go around" probably won't be questioned too much. Better than fighting over the yoke at 50 feet
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