Sober up before hitting send...
10-23-2009 | 09:01 PM
#21
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Latest email to crew force about FO's grabbing the controls from Captains is a little strange to say the least. Why don't we just have whoever's leg it is be the captain too. That way nobody's feelings get hurt. I thought it was always pretty much a given that a good FO would be heads up enough to do something before I try to kill him.
IMHO anyway.
10-23-2009 | 09:14 PM
#22
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From: MD11 Capt
Just finished CMV 2. I have to agree, give the guy a break! What the FCIF does is give FO's and Captains a procedure to follow if the FO doesn't like the approach. "Go around" is a very definite and unequivocal command. If the Captain is so disoriented he can't perform a go-around then take the airplane. It does happen. And it's always been that way.
What I got out of CMV 2 and ATT as a Captain is we need to be more ready to a: take the airplane, b: command the go-around, or c: take the airplane and go-around. I'm sure you can connect the dots...
FWIW
What I got out of CMV 2 and ATT as a Captain is we need to be more ready to a: take the airplane, b: command the go-around, or c: take the airplane and go-around. I'm sure you can connect the dots...
FWIW
10-23-2009 | 10:32 PM
#23
Ok, No more sleeping Dog
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From: MD-11, F/O
Oh my...my.....I was already going to have loads of fun from the cheap seats when I excess to the right seat next month......this just gives me....oh so much more....
Hope I get to yank gear for fr8hauler 
Hope I get to yank gear for fr8hauler
10-23-2009 | 10:36 PM
#24
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Just did not realize this was a problem. I never had a problem as an FO nor have I had any problems with any FO's speaking up around here. This whole topic is kind of like what we already know we should do as professional pilots. We all know to speak up if something is wrong and if someone vapor locks with a heart attack at 50 feet to take the airplane before you crash. I guess it needs to come from standards, be in the form as an FCIF and briefed along with the other 150 items we are supposed to brief prior to takeoff...
10-24-2009 | 04:03 AM
#25
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I'm an F/O and I got the FCIF.
I wasn't particularly offended by it. I think it's kind of moronic for F/Os to say "..now I can take the aircraft from the captain if he's not following my corrections." That has always been the case if you're about to bend metal or die. I also think the part about 'you better be right' could have been left unspoken/unwritten. I think we're all smart enough to know that one too.
I'm sure that 99.5% of F/Os wouldn't 'take the airplane' or fight in the cockpit for any reason short of a life threatening situation. But remember, Standards deals with that other 0.5%. I just took it to mean they were clarifying the 3 step process, which in itself was I'm sure a response to NRT.
Fire away.
I wasn't particularly offended by it. I think it's kind of moronic for F/Os to say "..now I can take the aircraft from the captain if he's not following my corrections." That has always been the case if you're about to bend metal or die. I also think the part about 'you better be right' could have been left unspoken/unwritten. I think we're all smart enough to know that one too.
I'm sure that 99.5% of F/Os wouldn't 'take the airplane' or fight in the cockpit for any reason short of a life threatening situation. But remember, Standards deals with that other 0.5%. I just took it to mean they were clarifying the 3 step process, which in itself was I'm sure a response to NRT.
Fire away.
10-24-2009 | 05:50 AM
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From: 777 F/O
I'm an F/O and I got the FCIF.
I wasn't particularly offended by it. I think it's kind of moronic for F/Os to say "..now I can take the aircraft from the captain if he's not following my corrections." That has always been the case if you're about to bend metal or die. I also think the part about 'you better be right' could have been left unspoken/unwritten. I think we're all smart enough to know that one too.
I'm sure that 99.5% of F/Os wouldn't 'take the airplane' or fight in the cockpit for any reason short of a life threatening situation. But remember, Standards deals with that other 0.5%. I just took it to mean they were clarifying the 3 step process, which in itself was I'm sure a response to NRT.
Fire away.
I wasn't particularly offended by it. I think it's kind of moronic for F/Os to say "..now I can take the aircraft from the captain if he's not following my corrections." That has always been the case if you're about to bend metal or die. I also think the part about 'you better be right' could have been left unspoken/unwritten. I think we're all smart enough to know that one too.
I'm sure that 99.5% of F/Os wouldn't 'take the airplane' or fight in the cockpit for any reason short of a life threatening situation. But remember, Standards deals with that other 0.5%. I just took it to mean they were clarifying the 3 step process, which in itself was I'm sure a response to NRT.
Fire away.
10-24-2009 | 07:09 AM
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A moment please...
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