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10-24-2009 | 08:35 AM
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I'm an F/O and I got the FCIF.
I wasn't particularly offended by it. I think it's kind of moronic for F/Os to say "..now I can take the aircraft from the captain if he's not following my corrections." That has always been the case if you're about to bend metal or die. I also think the part about 'you better be right' could have been left unspoken/unwritten. I think we're all smart enough to know that one too.
I'm sure that 99.5% of F/Os wouldn't 'take the airplane' or fight in the cockpit for any reason short of a life threatening situation. But remember, Standards deals with that other 0.5%. I just took it to mean they were clarifying the 3 step process, which in itself was I'm sure a response to NRT.
Fire away.
I wasn't particularly offended by it. I think it's kind of moronic for F/Os to say "..now I can take the aircraft from the captain if he's not following my corrections." That has always been the case if you're about to bend metal or die. I also think the part about 'you better be right' could have been left unspoken/unwritten. I think we're all smart enough to know that one too.
I'm sure that 99.5% of F/Os wouldn't 'take the airplane' or fight in the cockpit for any reason short of a life threatening situation. But remember, Standards deals with that other 0.5%. I just took it to mean they were clarifying the 3 step process, which in itself was I'm sure a response to NRT.
Fire away.
10-24-2009 | 11:26 AM
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I can't believe there are actually guys defending this Comm Update.
The Comm Updated which started all this basically said we at FedEx have a problem with FOs not being assertive enough. The last time I went through ground school they said they same thing.
It looks like to me they are getting their point across and a few "old school" Capts got their feathers ruffled. Instead of telling these guys the world has changed and it's probably time for them to move on. Standards caved to the old school approach and told the FOs to go back to; "shut up and color" and if you do speak up "you had better be right"
If any of these Capts actually believed the tongue in cheek comments by some of these FOs, which caused this latest Comm Update, they really do need the "special" CRM class.
The Comm Updated which started all this basically said we at FedEx have a problem with FOs not being assertive enough. The last time I went through ground school they said they same thing.
It looks like to me they are getting their point across and a few "old school" Capts got their feathers ruffled. Instead of telling these guys the world has changed and it's probably time for them to move on. Standards caved to the old school approach and told the FOs to go back to; "shut up and color" and if you do speak up "you had better be right"
If any of these Capts actually believed the tongue in cheek comments by some of these FOs, which caused this latest Comm Update, they really do need the "special" CRM class.
10-24-2009 | 12:56 PM
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10-24-2009 | 05:38 PM
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10-24-2009 | 06:52 PM
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We all know how it would go at any "long table without a glass of water", as they're so fond of saying at purple. If the FO and the Capt are both sitting there -- the FO is wrong. Actually both operating crewmembers are wrong, the FO is just more wrong.
I'm more from the school that was mentioned earlier in the thread. If we're all sitting here talking about it, whatever you did wasn't likely the worst option.
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10-24-2009 | 06:58 PM
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