L'il J,

I am senior to you by about 5 years. If this TA passes, I am going to leave the MD-11 and bid back to domestic when the first bid comes out. I am senior enough to do so.

You, on the other hand, will then take my old spot whether you like it or not. While I am flying week-on/week-off schedules, you will be deadheading 18 hours straight just so you can fly a minimum of a 2 week trip with multiple international legs. If you're lucky, you might have a couple of days in domicile before you go out and do it all over again.

I am voting no on this TA, and I am not going to try and tell you how to cast your vote, it's a democracy. Just be aware that you NEED to look past this year and next. I've been where you are, struggling the first year, eating a few meals a week, etc., etc. But, the next few go by fast and the QOL that comes with seniority is very desireble. Kiss that good-bye with this TA.

I'm an FO who just made $100,000.00 for the first year ever, and I also agree that our current contract is far better than what has been proposed.

You better read SCOPE, with emphasis on the ten can limit before you say that. With that kind of SCOPE language there is less, not more job security.

 

And that is before taxes.

 

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Lab Rat...

You may very well be able to bid domestic. If you like it so much why did you bid the maddog to begin with? From what I've seen, you going to domestic will not cause any displacements. You may have the seniority but there has to be a vacancy for you to bid. Not sure of the new system, but under the old system an engineer would have preference over your recurring domestic vacancy (only kind you will find on the 75). So good luck and bid what you really want, and be happy with your decision.

JMO

Pilot7576

 

You are a class act Browntail.

 

It is good now, but it will not be so under the TA. My point to that guy was that QOL on the international side under the proposed TA will not be anything like it is now. Thence, it will go junior. I bid the maddog because it offers a good schedule and QOL for someone of my seniority and higher. Under the proposed TA, a lot of that is going to be lost.

I'm not referring to the immediate present. He will end up international, whether by choice or realignment/displacement.

True, but it can also happen on a realignment/displacement bid or a bid for new equipment/domicile. Like you said, bid for what you want and hope for the best. And like I said, someone may not want to bid the international side, but may find themselves displaced to it if nobody else senior to them wants to bid it.

 

I have looked at the international rules and they don't seem all that great but I am not very familiar with international. I know noone is happy with the international rules but what are your thoughts on the domestic changes?



P.S. Before you all freak out and say I may have to do international one day.....chill! I do care about the international rules and I am just trying to educate myself. I just want thoughts about the domestic parts of the TA.

 

Compared to what we have now, the domestic parts are much improved. For example, week-on/week-off schedules are good, as is the limits on stuffer trips. It's going to be a lot more user-friendly. Early morning turns and late evening turns are going to be scheduled a lot more conservatively.

Compared to what we have now, the international parts are going to be much worse. Not too many people are excited about the possibility of spending 18 hours out of their day deadheading. Nor do many people want to spend 15:45 flying 3 legs internationally. Heavy-crewing is another concern. Many people now say that 1 captain and 3 fo's is industry standard. 1 captain and 3 fo's is not industry standard, but rather what exists due to concessions and give-backs from other carriers that are not profitable.



As should everybody. Some people are looking at the very short term. The numbers look good to someone coming off of probation, and for good reason too. I would not argue that first year pay is an absolute disgrace. But, going beyond the numbers, I hope that everyone will look at the QOL issues as well under this TA and weigh the good and the bad and vote based on the overall content of the TA.

 

It has been entertaining reading this thread. I've been looking at getting out of a crazy life as an Air Force pilot for some time now. With how much bitchin' is going on over a contract debate, staying in the Air Force is starting to look better and better. (Sarcastic)

I have not read your contract, but it is interesting looking at this as a person on the outside with a slightly different perspective. I haul cargo, you haul cargo.....I get shot at sometimes, you run the risk of being furloughed. I find that many of the FAA rules that y'all are spouting off all the time about "crossings" and overnights and guaranteed 30 hour rest period is extremely funny. Which is why I can see where "Jerry" is coming from when he says maybe he still has too much military in him.

Maybe I'm just brainwashed, but after flying around the world, literally in one trip over two days.....and flying with a 26 hour duty day (which usually turned out to be around a 34 hour day) on a daily basis, I just don't have the perspective to comprehend how you need to have a 30 hour rest period after flying 12 (or something like that).

 

You're right, you have too much mil in you (sts). Trust those that have been there on the civilian side...the things they are bitching about, in general, are for good reason.