Proposed UPS pay rates
07-06-2006 | 05:35 AM
#141
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Originally Posted by IntheBiz
I am amazed at you arguing over this. Right now, there are even medical jobs being outsourced. New hospitals to cater to expensive operations are being done in India and Singapore by GREAT doctors. So even the doctors here face outsourcing.
At this moment I work on projects that include CPDLC where I send mesages and commands through the ACARS to the FMC, soon I will be able to also track it cheaply through ADS-B. You think its a real leap to remove pilots from airplanes altogether?
I mean really? 224,000 a yr? And some of you are complaining?
Get real, at the end of the day you dont REALLY need a degree to fly, just be able TO fly. Granted your skills are hard fought and won, but damn, just look at the delat guys. You think that they wont jump over you to get back to the salaries they think deserve? Guys, while i may not be a COMMERCIAL pilot, I did spend years riding around in the cockpit of a DC-10 or 757 or 727 for weeks straight, and actually having the cojones to balk at those kinds of pay rates?
Sure I'll get flamed, but if you cant live on 225,000 dollars a year then maybe you should do something else. Oh thats right, nothing else pays half, nay, 1/4 of what they are offering with your 4 year English degrees.
Help America and the profession out and take the damn offer, or at some point, someone might get the idea to start a crewing company full of Europeans and Asians to fly the Browntails. Thats what Atlas did (not that I agree with it, but why let it get that far?)
At this moment I work on projects that include CPDLC where I send mesages and commands through the ACARS to the FMC, soon I will be able to also track it cheaply through ADS-B. You think its a real leap to remove pilots from airplanes altogether?
I mean really? 224,000 a yr? And some of you are complaining?
Get real, at the end of the day you dont REALLY need a degree to fly, just be able TO fly. Granted your skills are hard fought and won, but damn, just look at the delat guys. You think that they wont jump over you to get back to the salaries they think deserve? Guys, while i may not be a COMMERCIAL pilot, I did spend years riding around in the cockpit of a DC-10 or 757 or 727 for weeks straight, and actually having the cojones to balk at those kinds of pay rates?
Sure I'll get flamed, but if you cant live on 225,000 dollars a year then maybe you should do something else. Oh thats right, nothing else pays half, nay, 1/4 of what they are offering with your 4 year English degrees.
Help America and the profession out and take the damn offer, or at some point, someone might get the idea to start a crewing company full of Europeans and Asians to fly the Browntails. Thats what Atlas did (not that I agree with it, but why let it get that far?)
At this moment I work on projects that include CPDLC where I send mesages and commands through the ACARS to the FMC, soon I will be able to also track it cheaply through ADS-B.
Guys, while i may not be a COMMERCIAL pilot,
Last edited by Lab Rat; 07-06-2006 at 05:38 AM.
07-06-2006 | 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by TipsyMcStagger
But I do know this; the 747-400's arrive in '07. With the current language, UPS can not operate the -400's as they hope to (ie. greater than 12 hour legs) and they will have to use CA's as IRO's.
We have our cards to play out, but that isn't really one of them.
You are right, life as an international or a reserve pilot under the new article 13 will be challenging
07-06-2006 | 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Pilot7576
Not sure of the new system, but under the old system an engineer would have preference over your recurring domestic vacancy (only kind you will find on the 75). So good luck and bid what you really want, and be happy with your decision.
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07-06-2006 | 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by gsu50
I just don't have the perspective to comprehend how you need to have a 30 hour rest period after flying 12 (or something like that).
07-06-2006 | 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by gsu50
It has been entertaining reading this thread. I've been looking at getting out of a crazy life as an Air Force pilot for some time now. With how much bitchin' is going on over a contract debate, staying in the Air Force is starting to look better and better. (Sarcastic)
I have not read your contract, but it is interesting looking at this as a person on the outside with a slightly different perspective. I haul cargo, you haul cargo.....I get shot at sometimes, you run the risk of being furloughed. I find that many of the FAA rules that y'all are spouting off all the time about "crossings" and overnights and guaranteed 30 hour rest period is extremely funny. Which is why I can see where "Jerry" is coming from when he says maybe he still has too much military in him.
Maybe I'm just brainwashed, but after flying around the world, literally in one trip over two days.....and flying with a 26 hour duty day (which usually turned out to be around a 34 hour day) on a daily basis, I just don't have the perspective to comprehend how you need to have a 30 hour rest period after flying 12 (or something like that).
I have not read your contract, but it is interesting looking at this as a person on the outside with a slightly different perspective. I haul cargo, you haul cargo.....I get shot at sometimes, you run the risk of being furloughed. I find that many of the FAA rules that y'all are spouting off all the time about "crossings" and overnights and guaranteed 30 hour rest period is extremely funny. Which is why I can see where "Jerry" is coming from when he says maybe he still has too much military in him.
Maybe I'm just brainwashed, but after flying around the world, literally in one trip over two days.....and flying with a 26 hour duty day (which usually turned out to be around a 34 hour day) on a daily basis, I just don't have the perspective to comprehend how you need to have a 30 hour rest period after flying 12 (or something like that).
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07-06-2006 | 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Lab Rat
There is one way that this thing may pass. Pay someone $26K/yr, offer a lousy TA when a lot of people are finishing their first year, and then offer them the same signing bonus as an FO who has been here for 10+ years.
Before the rocks start getting thrown at me, let me explain a couple of things. First, I am in no way accusing anybody of selling out. What I am trying to point out is a clever management trick. By offering a signing bonus that is equal across the board to every FO (except those on probation), they are attempting to divert your attention from the bulk of the contract and only get you to focus on what you made the first year and what you will get in the signing bonus.
In other words, be careful and don't fall into a trap.
Before the rocks start getting thrown at me, let me explain a couple of things. First, I am in no way accusing anybody of selling out. What I am trying to point out is a clever management trick. By offering a signing bonus that is equal across the board to every FO (except those on probation), they are attempting to divert your attention from the bulk of the contract and only get you to focus on what you made the first year and what you will get in the signing bonus.
In other words, be careful and don't fall into a trap.
07-06-2006 | 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Eric Stratton
Can someone tell me why 1st year pay is still so low even in 2012?
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07-06-2006 | 06:55 PM
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first year pay
Eric Stratton...
The company maintains that 33k a year is sufficient to attract the line pilots they want to hire. They really have no shame in this low pay, it's just a business decision for them. I don't think too many candidates would turn this job down based on first year pay. Most people just suck it up for the first year and max out the credit cards and wait for the second yr pay near six figures.
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The company maintains that 33k a year is sufficient to attract the line pilots they want to hire. They really have no shame in this low pay, it's just a business decision for them. I don't think too many candidates would turn this job down based on first year pay. Most people just suck it up for the first year and max out the credit cards and wait for the second yr pay near six figures.
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