UPS Managers/labor law
02-28-2010, 07:08 PM
#41
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Originally Posted by Roberto
Salty,
The week-long gap in some Hot lines (3 weeks of Hot and one week off) is historically placed in VTO lines, or if unable, in OT.
Regards,
Roberto
The week-long gap in some Hot lines (3 weeks of Hot and one week off) is historically placed in VTO lines, or if unable, in OT.
Regards,
Roberto
Sat Hot for better part of 10 years and used to track all the fleets out of curiosity and scheduling practices. They have learned to tighten it up and are more comfortable with less line pilots as they managed the supervisor flying closer.
03-01-2010, 02:58 AM
#42
Tri-tanic operator
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Originally Posted by Roberto
I just count things and leave the good or bad up to the reader...
I haven't been looking at ANC other than reading in the forums that there is a problem with the reserve times not in complete sync with the needs, thus some JA attempts (or posts stating that some reserve crews accept the non-contractual times). That would fall in the category of "flights that do not fit the contractual reserve call-out time or maximum duty time."
If expect UPS is keeping good records of the reasons for MEF, but those are not available to me. I did qualify my post with "a lot, probably most" but that is just a guess across all fleets.
I haven't been looking at ANC other than reading in the forums that there is a problem with the reserve times not in complete sync with the needs, thus some JA attempts (or posts stating that some reserve crews accept the non-contractual times). That would fall in the category of "flights that do not fit the contractual reserve call-out time or maximum duty time."
If expect UPS is keeping good records of the reasons for MEF, but those are not available to me. I did qualify my post with "a lot, probably most" but that is just a guess across all fleets.
Not exactly ... nearly all of the ANC flying syncs perfectly with all RSV shifts.
What you read about is the fact that they run out of RSVA crews and then call a RSVB or RSVC crew and offer them an early release so that they can be legal for an early assignment the next day. An assignment that is perfectly legal for a RSVA and has been in open time for days. They are simply running out of reserves in the proper shifts, not flights that are outside of reserve windows.
In the first week of 10-02 I was one of 2 FOs available on RSVA. We both got called in on the same trip. UPS went for 3-4 days without any RSVA coverage.
How can they do this comfortably ? The management airline answers all calls at all times. It is the ONLY reason they can even consider a furlough in ANC, at least on the B747. I won't pretend to know what is up on the MD in ANC ...
03-01-2010, 01:34 PM
#44
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Position: 757/767
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Originally Posted by SaltyDog
Historically, yes. Historically, we used to have more hots.<g>
I think one of the last times I was on Hot it was with you in SDF <g>. Besides the DC8, there was an A300 and a 757. Now there are 2 757's, an A300, and an MD11. Has there been a reduction in out-station Hots to make up for the additional one in SDF?
Regards,
Roberto
03-02-2010, 07:08 PM
#45
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Position: UPS Captain
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So, if one of these "management" guys shows up to operate and they've had an extremely long duty day. Do we "have" to fly with them when we feel they are not safe? Look at what TG and MM did on the MD just recently.
Didn't some of these tools take guys off flights in ANC recently for commuting into a flight, yet they are doing the very crap they felt was unacceptable?
Can't have it both ways now can you? I know I dont want to operate with ANYONE that runs that type of schedule. Seems REALLY UNSAFE!!
Try this I guess!
How to File a Whistleblower Complaint
Didn't some of these tools take guys off flights in ANC recently for commuting into a flight, yet they are doing the very crap they felt was unacceptable?
Can't have it both ways now can you? I know I dont want to operate with ANYONE that runs that type of schedule. Seems REALLY UNSAFE!!
Try this I guess!
How to File a Whistleblower Complaint
Last edited by JustUnderPar; 03-02-2010 at 07:45 PM.
03-02-2010, 10:22 PM
#46
Line Holder
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I'm not so sure the Taft-Hartley (NRLA) or Right-to-work laws (amendment to NLRA) really have any impact on us since we're under the Railway Labor Act. These (NLRA & RLA) are two completely different sets of labor laws. Apples & oranges, if I remember correctly.
03-03-2010, 03:09 AM
#47
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Originally Posted by JustUnderPar
So, if one of these "management" guys shows up to operate and they've had an extremely long duty day. Do we "have" to fly with them when we feel they are not safe? Look at what TG and MM did on the MD just recently.
Didn't some of these tools take guys off flights in ANC recently for commuting into a flight, yet they are doing the very crap they felt was unacceptable?
Can't have it both ways now can you? I know I dont want to operate with ANYONE that runs that type of schedule. Seems REALLY UNSAFE!!
Try this I guess!
How to File a Whistleblower Complaint
Didn't some of these tools take guys off flights in ANC recently for commuting into a flight, yet they are doing the very crap they felt was unacceptable?
Can't have it both ways now can you? I know I dont want to operate with ANYONE that runs that type of schedule. Seems REALLY UNSAFE!!
Try this I guess!
How to File a Whistleblower Complaint
That makes for an interesting contradiction ...
03-03-2010, 07:46 AM
#48
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Position: SDF A300 FO
Posts: 441
Originally Posted by JustUnderPar
Didn't some of these tools take guys off flights in ANC recently for commuting into a flight, yet they are doing the very crap they felt was unacceptable?
FYI, I wasn't removed from the flight and nor are they doing that with anyone. It is the CA who will remove you if it comes to that.
03-03-2010, 11:33 AM
#49
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Originally Posted by Tigerpilot1995
I was one of those people that got a talking to from MM. He couldn't have been more unprofessional to me. I have his itinerary printed off from the Flight Ops site. I welcome another "discussion" from him.
FYI, I wasn't removed from the flight and nor are they doing that with anyone. It is the CA who will remove you if it comes to that.
FYI, I wasn't removed from the flight and nor are they doing that with anyone. It is the CA who will remove you if it comes to that.
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