Just out of curiosity, How much do UPS drivers make vs FedEx Express truck drivers? vs FedEx ground drivers? I honestly don't know the answer and do want to know.

Also the issue of a level playing field is a smoke screen regarding furloughing pilots. I mean after all, UPS did clear over $2 billion in profit in 2009. I'm not sure what the forecast is for 2010 but I'll bet it's at least another $2 billion.

 

Total management kool-aide ...

Maybe if our uniforms were black and not brown there wouldn't be a furlough.
Maybe if our crew stairs were older and rustier, we wouldn't have to furlough.
Maybe if we paid for our own Jepps, we wouldn't have to furlough.

All of the above makes as much sense as "Maybe if there was more of a level playing field between the companies there wouldn't be a furlough"

All that quote proves is that you were paying attention at one of the required staff meetings.

MAYBE if contract openers weren't around the corner, there wouldn't be a furlough. Because UPS is the first and probably only company to COMPLETELY walk away from VOLUNTARY givebacks from a union group. When that group met 90% of the goal, the goal was changed. Yeah, this company "needed" those savings alright ...

When the FAA bill doesn't "level the playing field", can we expect more furloughs ? Maybe even a few management terminations, if they really need to save the money ....

 

Just curious if anyone knows if NetJets came close to the savings.

 

And if they did come close, did management then say too bad, so sad ... our projections now go to 2015 and we need twice as much as we said before.

Just sayin ...

 

UPS has a higher profit margin and their cash flow is much, much better.

This idea of yours has no merit.

 

It is correct we failed to meet the agreed upon number. Am I mistaken thinking the Ila requested more time and the company said no

I have not seen any exact numbers off who gave what besides the fact 97% of the bottom 300 gave something. I don't think anyboby knows where most of the savings came from.

Yep I hate to see folks not abiding by EB guidelines also. But I M realistic enough to know that some will not. However it appears to me the vast majority of members are holding the line.

 

Did you know every division, every center and every department is run separately and has a profit and loss for each? If the Airline division isn't making a certian margin then they have to cut costs. The Airline did not make 2 billion in profit. Just hired pilots, age 65 passed and the worst economic times caused a "Perfect Storm". The air division was over staffed. UPS cut back everywhere in the entire company except the pilot group until now. Customers have moved from air to ground in this economy. Think of Bear Stearns and how many air letters they shipped. They don't exist anymore. I guess that was UPS' fault huh

 

In round numbers, do you know what the profit or loss was for the airline side of the house?

 

Its not about profit or loss, as the man said, it is about the margin ...



And it wasn't LARGE enough. But then we have managers here that think if our crews request an extra meal on a long flight that it will bankrupt the company. no joke ...

 

Article 13.B.1 d

Int'l = 89.6 hrs/ domestic = 86 hrs. per pay period.

You are right about vacation and training.

I agree that it is way too much extra time available . I would call/ negotiate for a 78hr cap, but it would never pass.