Soyathink

I wish

"Brown Stuff" My blank head is purple too

Purple people eaters?

Sluggo_63

No he hasn't. It is written into the contract that if there is a major change in the circumstances of the business (i.e. being re-classified under NLRA) that they will not take delivery of 15 of the 777s. This is a contract that both FedEx and Boeing both agreed to and signed. If the Boeing workers want to be angry at someone, maybe they should look towards Chicago.

Gunter

Soya,

One day, perhaps years from now, you'll look back and see you wished you had applied at Purple instead of Brown. You do know some choose Purple over Brown, right? You say you hate how purple treats people but you're seeing many more lives being ruined by layoffs at Brown. Even with higher profit margin, cash flow and market dominance.

Ask a furloughed Brown pilot if he would have rather had a pay cut and stayed on the payroll like at Purple. Ask them how they like the pilot schedules getting plussed up as they furlough. Ask them how they like their fellow IPA'ers pulling down overtime now. Ask them what they think of the wonderful union brotherhood that is supposed to protect them from rampant cost cutting to increase management bonuses. Ask yourself if folks should be laid off to increase the pay of those hired before you. But you won't.

You just want to see pain inflicted on others in the hope it will reduce your pain and increase your income. You saw DHL get kicked out the market, liked it and now you want UPS to take over the entire market. You could care less how disrupting (destroying?) another company's business would affect the lives of their employees. It's diabolical and makes me sick.

You can stop hiding behind your call for worker rights. You don't care and all of us can see that. It's just a tool in your bag to justify the call to help you improve your investments. Take your draconian Brown culture elsewhere. It's not wanted here.

Soyathink

Never applied at either...

Yes I do. Some like Red, some like blue, Fred likes Green...

Yes I hate seeing layoffs at Brown. Never once said Brown isn't hard on it's employees or has made bad decisions. Matter of fact I have said the opposite.

Brown has triple the profits yet also the triple the labor cost. Fred is afraid that he will lose his little hiding spot under current law causing his labor cost to be in line with UPS. Cash flow is from not having 11 corporate jets, fancy crew buses ect. (Lower operating costs) Market Dominance, Hardly

Sure they would and did. So nobody in this economy is working harder than before with increased manhours while companies are operating with less employees??? You seem to think there is nobody on this planet besides pilots though... I'm not a IPA Pilots so I cannot explain that but I know that the question has been raised. No folks should not be laid off to increase peoples pay hired before them. It should be across the board. "But I won't?" Why should I? I agree with you on that.... This is about UPS having triple the labor costs than it's main competitior Fed Ex. This is about people as yourselves who claim to be union not caring that fellow coworkers are making far less than it's competition. This is about you and some of your other purple buddies defending Fred and not caring about anybody else. This is about Fred hiding under laws that are unfair to the competition to keep labor costs down and to use that saving to steal marketshare from UPS. This is about UPS people not just pilots losing their jobs. Again over 1800 lost jobs at UPS other than pilots. Include 300 pilots then that is 2100. You won't understand that though or seem to care..

I'd like my income increased sure. Who wouldn't. I'd also like to see the furloughed UPS pilots back to work. Id like to see Fed Ex people make the same wage as their counterparts and not hide under laws that don't apply to EVERYBODY in the AIR AND GROUND PARCEL DELIVERY BUSINESS... I'd like to see Fed Ex take marketshare from UPS the right way and not tell customers that they cannot strike like UPS because it is against their law. I'd like Fed Ex not to offer customers lower rates to steal business away from UPS because their labor costs are 3 times less. How would this destroy Fed Ex business if they are under the same laws? I didn't see DHL get kicked out of the market just by UPS. Fed Ex was right along with them. Remember both companies working together when they came to the US Market??? Of course you didn't. Remember the drivers they had? Part time independent contractors making less than both UPS Drivers and Fed Ex drivers. Remember the service failures they had? They would pull in large accounts with cheaper rates then screw it up because of their low cost independent contractor drivers. If it makes you sick then you should help the UPS Pilots get back to work. The IPA sent a letter to UPS asking to give prefrence to out of work DHL pilots. Did the ALPA do that at you great Purple Company? Instead the ALPA picketed UPS headquarters. The deal never happened to fly DHL freight at UPS and 300 pilot are or will be on the street if things do not change. Guess what DHL folded US ops anyhow. But people out of work make you sick

I don't care, then why the f do I post here? I have better things to do trust me. I didn't have to say I had UPS stock and you would have never known...... I really don't care if you feel it's not wanted here. I'm just sick of people like you bashing brown and doing nothing to help people see it's more than what meets the eye.

Why do you have in your avatar "Whats going on at UPS" when you are Purple? Why do you care other than to put down brown and spread false propaganda. Did you use to work at brown????

FDXLAG

Soju,

You have said some many things and everytime you are corrected you change the subject, 5 posts later you are reposting the same complaints. You have stated fedex ground and air will merge sooner or later. Now you say they wont.

You attack Fred Smith for working in the system and making it work to his advantage. What do you want him to do? You claim he has made statement detrimental to unions. Are these statement criminal? Are they actionable in any way. Can you prove these statements were made. Can you prove these statements are wrong? If you were CEO what would you do? Do you think your stock value would go up or down after you did it?

You have earned the distinction of being the 1st and only member on my ignore list. Bye Bye.

Soyathink

So its ok if UPS has to layoff while Fred has 3 times lower labor costs by hiding under the law?

So every paper and news org. got it wrong. Fred was never quoted saying that ?

Revoking the special status could make it easier for drivers at FedEx's core express business to form a union and would allow them to strike -- providing a powerful negotiating tool during contract negotiations that potentially could increase the company's labor costs.
Here is a link to one of many

Labor law jeopardizes Boeing order, FedEx CEO says - MarketWatch

"If that were to happen, I can promise you that the board of directors of FedEx Corp. would reduce the amount that we invest in [FedEx Express], to the point where it was just purely a sustenance level," said Chief Executive Frederick Smith, according to a report Sunday in the Commercial Appeal of Memphis.
Smith added that the company would be forced to halt fleet and employment growth, the newspaper said.

By threatening to cancel the aircraft order from Boeing, Smith is trying to nettle the U.S. Senate into vetoing any proposed changes. The aircraft manufacturer has many allies in Congress and production lines spread out over 48 states.

The FedEx order represents about 2.7% of Boeing's total backlog of about $250 billion in orders, expected to keep the company busy for the next seven years.

Soyathink

I did say they would merge sooner or later. I never said they should like you said I did. See the post to your buddy Sluggo. Fred is quoted "If that were to happen, I can promise you that the board of directors of FedEx Corp. would reduce the amount that we invest in [FedEx Express], to the point where it was just purely a sustenance level," said Chief Executive Frederick Smith, according to a report Sunday in the Commercial Appeal of Memphis. He didn't say ground did he????

I want Fred to play fair like his competitors have to. I made those statements and provided what the ALPA has said. Could be and have been in cases. Could be and have been in cases. Can you prove that they were not???? If I were the CEO I would work with my employees on solutions. Not pay them less than their counterparts to steal business from the competition. I wouldn't hide under an unfair law to keep them from unionizing. I would let them decide. I wouldn't have 11 corporate jets. Hell why do you need 11???? My stock value would go up and I would keep people working because they would have a good attitudes and work as partners. I would demand hard work but reward with great pay. Google Jim Casey

I don't really care if you ignore me. I am providing you the proof you wanted regarding you best buddy Fred. I made those claims yep. According you the ALPA website they seem to back them up. But you claim to be ALPA .

So ignore me... I will counter you over and over if I feel its worth merit. Have fun keeping your head in the sand.

EPIRB

FedEx was established as an airline. Airlines are regulated by the RLA. That isn’t “hiding under the law”.

How does one “steal business” in America? Business is open to competition. Salesmen present the best case they can for their product. It is up to the consumer to see through false arguments such as “FedEx can’t strike”.

UPS and the UPS unions should focus on UPS problems.

golfandfly

soya,

Maybe you should spend more time looking for work than arguing with pilots on a message board. Just an idea.

Of course Fred doesn't want employees to be able to unionize on a local level. It is about green. If these employees want to unionize, they have a means to do so, just like the pilots. I could care less if they unionize or not, just because I belong to a union doesn't mean I think everyone should be unionized. If they are being mistreated or underpaid, send out notices and vote in a union.

Is he using the 777 order to put pressure on some in Congress? Absolutely. Is anyone denying this? Is UPS putting political pressure to change Fedex's status? Absolutely.

Sounds also like you'd be a terrible employer. You'd give away the store and then we'd all be laid off. Fred Smith is trying to keep costs down. Isn't that his job? While keeping costs down, Fedex continually makes the "top places to work" list. Why would he want to level the playing field?

Your posts are nonsense. Go find a job

Soyathink

So how many airlines own over 41,000 trucks? That isn't hiding under the law?
Business is open to competition but when one company is governed under one law and manipulates it while the other isn't and cannot then???? Read the RLA under the .gov site regarding work stoppagess. Also look when the Fed Ex Pilots threatened a work stoppage. I povided links in other thread and on this one that Fed Ex Express said if the pilots struck they would divert volume to their 40,000 trucks and lease aircraft and crews. I though they are an airline? How can they divert volume to trucks when they are an airline?

UPS and UPS unions are focusing on UPS problems, thats why the Teamsters and UPS (who would have thought that?) are fighting the Fed Ex classification together.