FDX Section 6 Openers
10-09-2010, 07:20 AM
#191
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You guys who serve "THANKS" need to stop this! During 4a2b lots of civilians and a few former military who I know could not make any money on the side with their certificate because the union gave that away to the company in the contract. During 4a2b several guys I know could have flown some charter or corporate flights at their former employer part time to help their financial situation but could not because of the contract. True flag ops issues may limit this in the future but it is your certificate you earned it.
10-09-2010, 11:00 AM
#192
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Yes, it's your certificate and Yes, you did earn it. However, the company didn't hire you as part time help, and as such, any commercial hours that you fly, other than military, goes against your max allowable hours, both for the 30 rolling days as well as the 1000 hours annual. What the company doesn't want is for you to bump up against those time limits and therefore become illegal to fly a company trip.
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10-09-2010, 02:44 PM
#193
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Originally Posted by Jetjok
Yes, it's your certificate and Yes, you did earn it. However, the company didn't hire you as part time help, and as such, any commercial hours that you fly, other than military, goes against your max allowable hours, both for the 30 rolling days as well as the 1000 hours annual. What the company doesn't want is for you to bump up against those time limits and therefore become illegal to fly a company trip.
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Yeah Gramps. I think everyone understands that. It's an entirely different situation however when the company decides to just cut your paycheck by 25%. Maybe then the company could maybe give us 25% of OUR monthly hours back?
10-09-2010, 02:51 PM
#194
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Originally Posted by MaydayMark
Yeah Gramps. I think everyone understands that. It's an entirely different situation however when the company decides to just cut your paycheck by 25%. Maybe then the company could maybe give us 25% of OUR monthly hours back?
I have to ask...what do you have against JJ? I do not always agree with him..but he seems to be a straight shooter... and I do not mind well reasoned opinions... even when I don't agree with them... If you don't agree with what he says...fine... but try a little decorum... Just a thought.
10-10-2010, 07:46 AM
#195
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Originally Posted by Jetjok
Yes, it's your certificate and Yes, you did earn it. However, the company didn't hire you as part time help, and as such, any commercial hours that you fly, other than military, goes against your max allowable hours, both for the 30 rolling days as well as the 1000 hours annual. What the company doesn't want is for you to bump up against those time limits and therefore become illegal to fly a company trip.
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But when folks get hit with 4a2b the restriction to not fly elsewere should be gone until 4a2b is lifted. I know should doesn't mean squat if it's not in the CBA, so let's put it in there.
Their valid arguments for laying down 4a2b - saving money, preventing furlough - will only be assisted by someone getting some flying on the side. Even if it means making that his semi-full time job and FDX part time.
IMHO, the company is declaring they only want you (certain crewmembers) part time during 4a2b. I don't care if the wrong crewmembers, in seats they don't want to reduce hours, choose to make FDX part time. Since they have proven they will spend a ton of money on projects even in 4a2b, they can spend a little on realignment to accomodate those making FDX their part time employer.
Just think of all the funny games they played with reserve, extra pairings and field extensions last time. And the dues paid that year was very close to the year before!
4a2b = part time
Last edited by Gunter; 10-10-2010 at 08:01 AM.
10-10-2010, 07:56 AM
#196
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Originally Posted by Osmosis
These scenarios are actual situations of real FedEx pilots on orders now, as Reservists, that were forced to be put on Long-term Military Leave.
A) Reservist commutes to his unit, and works 12 hour days, Sunday thru Sunday. The pilot can hold front and backend dh's to his hometown, meaning on his 6 days off from his unit, he can go home and fly his full line. Should this person be excluded to legally fly for the company because he is on orders?
B) Reservist works for a HQ 4 hours drive from Memphis. He works four on and four off. On his four off days, he can fly 2, maybe 3 outbacks from the Planet. This person may be able to fly an entire outback line, or just drop a couple of trips. Should this person be excluded to legally fly for the company because he is on orders?
When you are on an out and back, you can be extended in the field involuntarily for a period of time due to airplane mx.
This might run counter to legal precedent for USERRA too. There are standards of required notification intended to protect employees AND employers from harm.
Those are stumbling blocks.
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