Roberto

www.Pprune.org is a very informative site. I did not know of it until I saw HSLD's link, and after viewing it I believed many others would find it as informative as I have. There are over 50 forums found there, and hundreds of threads. It is owned by the same company, Internet Brands, that owns the APC web site, and it is the largest European pilot website.

As for the accident thread, I have found it to be very educational, and have learned a lot from many of the posters who have first-hand evidence of smoke, fires, the systems that are possible to counter them, and suggestions as to the limited time one has to respond. I have gained much from the postings of pilots much more knowledgeable and experienced in this area than I am.

To restrict this website from others will keep them uniformed and ignorant. The request regarding the accident from the IPA states "The Lampe and Bell families have asked that no accident pictures or any pictures of Doug or Matthew be posted to the Bar & Grill. Please respect their wishes until informed of any changes." I have no problem following that request.

HSLD

Moderators please note the above request, APC will mirror this request. Forum users, please use the report post tool (the upside down yield sign at the lower left) to report inappropriate posts AND links.

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Also, for full transparency, APC and PPrune are owned by the same company: Internet Brands.

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Rocco

This could have been any one of us on that flight. This is a tragedy. The families of these two men will be in my thoughts and prayers.

skytrekker

My condolences to the families and to the UPS community. Following the passing of Robb A. on August 22nd this is a challenging time, strength and unity will persevere.

md11retiree

God bless these brave men and may they rest in peace.

727C47

they are brave men ,flying round the globe in every clime and place, far from home,fighting,fatigue,weather, and guiding a massive aluminium tube with wings at .8 +mach through challenges that arise daily, God bless them,God rest them, and may the feds make EVAS mandatory for every commercial operation, guys,and girls need every single thing going for them in that situation,may some good come out of all this.

1800 RVR

But, this isn't about us. This is about respecting the families of Doug and Matt, and that particular thread, while informative for us on the outside, paint a very disturbing, difficult, and terrifying last minutes of their loved ones. They might not be ready for that kind of information.

I want to get to the bottom of this just like anyone else...

tewbert

My thoughts and prayers go out to the family and friends of these 2 pilots and to all of the Brown guys out there. Fly safe.

FMI

Can someone let us know if a fund or a place for donations has been set up to help support the families?
Thanks and sincerest condolences to everyone affected.

Ernst

Dear moderators,

I found and posted some information on 9/4 about a 2008 FAA legal opinion regarding the definition of accessible emergency equipment: http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/...2008/Davis.pdf. It means that a pilot must be able to reach the emergency equipment (i.e., a fire extinguisher) from his or her station with an oxygen mask on. I included a link to the FAA legal opinion and a comment that the emergency equipment is not currently accessible by pilots while wearing the oxygen masks provided at their flight stations on the B744.

I also posted a link to a WSJ article from June of this year about a UAL flight in May on which the 757 pilots could not reach a fire extinguisher while wearing an oxygen mask: Worries Emerge on Boeing Cockpit-Oxygen Systems - WSJ.com.

Cargo Man quoted my post.

I just looked for my post so that I could reread the FAA legal opinion, but I can find neither my post, nor Cargo Man's reply that quoted my post. Am I having a senior moment or was it deleted? If so, why?

Thanks!