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Old 01-28-2011 | 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by nosoup4u
I kinda got the impression that both sides realized that negotiating on work rules was a waste of time until the NPRM comes to fruition.

So we get 3% ish, some improvements in FDA LOA language, etc.

and they get do the FDA thing again

Ready, break ... see ya in 12 months

what am i missing?
I get the same feeling... By the tone of the 2 emails (Negotiating Committee and Chairman's), it seems like that's what they're implying. Improvements abound except for a few sections which we'll get to later.(And have to because of specific language in the new TA)

We'll know more when the details come out.
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Old 01-28-2011 | 03:32 PM
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THE BIG QUESTION?

Once the FDA's are in the agreement, they are final...this will turn on what is in the FDA proposal.
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Old 01-28-2011 | 03:41 PM
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I haven't read the TA, but it seems a reasonable approach to take. As some of us were thinking, the company wanted a new FDA LOA, we wanted a contract. It's obvious that the new flight/duty times will drive any scheduling/hours of service sections.

Not sure what the specifics will be, but I do like the approach the union took. Hopefully it will be something we can approve..
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Old 01-28-2011 | 04:05 PM
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Obviously we have leverage over the company in that they need to open an FDA in Europe and add MD11s in HKG and realize that it will not fill with the status quo. They also need ULR for the 777.

I have an idea. We should give all of this leverage away for a 3% raise that we would eventually get anyway.

Brilliant! Where do I sign.
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Old 01-28-2011 | 04:06 PM
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How about everyone reading it this time, instead of the Union Dog and Pony show making your decision for your. FDA - What are we really giving up, in careers, seniority and in possible new hires? How many crew members in Hong Kong or Cologne will cut the amount of bodies needed to fill seats. Are the short term benefits more important than the long term? Less Bodies, means less overhead to the company in the long run. Could be good in keeping us lean and mean. Just some thoughts, But please everyone read it this time.
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Old 01-28-2011 | 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by The Walrus
Obviously we have leverage over the company in that they need to open an FDA in Europe and add MD11s in HKG and realize that it will not fill with the status quo. They also need ULR for the 777.

I have an idea. We should give all of this leverage away for a 3% raise that we would eventually get anyway.

Brilliant! Where do I sign.
Uh, I'm fairly certain that was exactly the leverage that afforded the NC the opportunity to have a TA presented to the MEC. But what the heck why even read it?

Oh and even if you like it you don't get to sign the contract, our representatives and the companies reps sign it, we just get to vote for it.
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Old 01-28-2011 | 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by MD10PLT
Anyone notice the companies response to the FAA crew rest proposal says it would require 812 new pilots at FedEx. This coupled with a Hong Kong expansion, Europe FDA, 1000 eligible pilot retirements and a recovering economy; no wonder the company wants a quick CBA.
Just wanted to point out that the Europe FDA and HKG expansion will actually reduce the number of pilots needed at FDX. And, 1000 eligible pilot retirements? I don't think so.

But, other than that...Whoopee!!!

We'll see.
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Old 01-28-2011 | 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by 990Convair
I certainly hope 4a2b was addressed. It will be a "no" from me if it wasn't.
I couldn't agree more!!!! I'm writing my block rep to emphasize this! Whatever $$$ gains are in the T/A, it isn't worth the paper its printed on if that ticking time bomb isn't removed or at least fixed. Other than that, my hat's off to JG and the Negotiating Commitee, and hope the MEC is objective in their dicussion and report to the Membership.
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Old 01-28-2011 | 07:34 PM
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Folks in the know (management) have been saying the last few months and especially recently:

Asia is super important.
We are going to have to hire 1500-2000 pilots in the next 3-4 years. We'll see how that one plays out.

Apparently, it could be true.
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Old 01-28-2011 | 07:35 PM
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The number a union rep told me at 860 pilots that are over 65 and those over 60 with 25 years. So, round up to 900 and we'll call it even.

Originally Posted by Busboy
Just wanted to point out that the Europe FDA and HKG expansion will actually reduce the number of pilots needed at FDX. And, 1000 eligible pilot retirements? I don't think so.

But, other than that...Whoopee!!!

We'll see.
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