ANCFRTDG

I heard rumblings at the AOC two days ago about a possible notification on the FDA LOA's but am completely shocked and stunned at the announcement about the entire TA!! I am cautiously optimistic and will wait, read, digest the pros and cons, and then decide.
I am sure we didn't get everything we wanted but hope we used our limited negotiating leverage to clear up some of the gray areas, and especially limit use of 4a2b in the future as a financial management tool!!!

FDXFLYR

This smells fishy because a TA this fast and without a fight is totally surprising and unrealistic. My guess is that MEC wanted a win so badly that they agreed to something small, like the 3% I've read in here earlier. 3% is nothing significant when we were so ripped off in 4A2b so I think we should not be all excited about that. And management must have needed a contract in some limited area in order to move on with their plans. So both sides probably agreed to some financially insignificant TA with the promise of continued discussions.

And the promise of future discussions is problematic. Management always sets in place wording like that to give themselves room to wriggle out of a commitment at some later date. Don't think for one minute that management will agree to future talks that will cost them an undetermined amount of money at some later date! Institutional investors in our company demand details which they can use to estimate their future earnings. No sir, that wording of future talks is only a bad thing for us. I don't like it and won't support it.

magic rat

I'm very skeptical....

The company just doesn't give away a bonus and a pay raise...if we're getting something good, they're getting something great...

We've been burned by FDX ALPA too many times in the past few years....

Something is fishy....

Jetjok

The doom and gloom spread here makes one want to go and hang out at a mortuary or a multi-car crash site with dozens of dead and mangled people, just to raise ones spirits. You guys all need to take a chill pill, a few deep breaths, and a 5 minute massage, and then wait for the actual TA, before you are ready to rise up in protest.

After all, Your elected officials, the ones that you guys elected (and should trust) will consider the Tentative Agreement at its meeting during the week of February 7th. Your MEC representatives will thoroughly review the document. And then if they decide to bring the TA forward for a vote, we all should have plenty of information to look at and beat around. Hopefully, this time, guys will actually RTFD (read the full document) and make up their own minds, based on the merits of the TA, and not based on the merits of the way said information is presented.

JJ

MEMFO4Ever

Trust, JJ? Really? After "it's the right thing to do"?

Some clichés come to mind...

"The devil is in the details"

"Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me"

"Once bitten, twice shy"

With that in mind, I am a much tougher consumer of whatever the union is 'selling' and will reserve judgement until I read the document. While past performance is certainly not the only indicator of future returns, I am forced to be a healthy skeptic.

Deuce130

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After all, Your elected officials, the ones that you guys elected (and should trust) will consider the Tentative Agreement at its meeting during the week of February 7th. Your MEC representatives will thoroughly review the document. Hopefully, this time, guys will actually RTFD (read the full document) and make up their own minds, based on the merits of the TA, and not based on the merits of the way said information is presented.

JJ[/QUOTE]

Like when 68% of the force voted for the FDA LOA without reading it and instead voted on the merits of the way it was presented by the previous MEC?

Gunter

812 is certainly a very big stretch. They want to influence the NPRM decision by crying wolf.

Gunter

All we know from the LOA debacle is 68% of our guys are mostly selfish or can't think for themselves. I suspect the former is predominant.

Gunter

No fight? The company wants another FDA base. We said no unless you bargain for more than just the FDA.

Does anyone think BC and DW wish they were smart enough to include 777 pay rates with the original FDA LOA agreement?

R1200RT

I voted no without reading it.
If there is a section 4a2b in this TA I may do the same thing.