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Old 01-29-2011 | 10:56 AM
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Let's wait and see, but if it's only 3% and no change's to 4a2b I'm a big NO!
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Old 01-29-2011 | 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by 990Convair
3% with a 1% signing bonus is what I heard. 3% doesn't keep up with inflation and the "signing bonus" is based on your pensionable earnings from NOV 1 to now. I see, last contract it was a "Signing Bonus" lump sum that left A LOT of money out, but this time they cant wait to send those $200 (after taxes).

What does FDX want AND get if we sign? A CGN FDA, and that's huge. I say vote no and let them sweeten the deal. This isn't CARMAX. I don't think we should just blindly agree because we are being sold a new deal.

We should be getting 5%/5% and a more significant signing bonus than whats being intimated after 4a2b.
Agreed, but I was thinking more along the lines of 10% and 5%....plus 5% per year after that until a new contract is signed. And while we are at it, 6K for the FDA allowance!!
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Old 01-29-2011 | 11:43 AM
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3% and still has 4a.2b. in it...... a BIG NO vote from me and I'll sign up to lobby others to vote the same
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Old 01-29-2011 | 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by gcsass
Agreed, but I was thinking more along the lines of 10% and 5%....plus 5% per year after that until a new contract is signed. And while we are at it, 6K for the FDA allowance!!
Heard the FDA allotment was $4,600/yr and if the landlord raised your rent Fedex would cover it.

Honestly, from the rumblings I've heard, the FDA deal is pretty dang good. It's the rest of the TA that I will analyze before my vote is cast.
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Old 01-29-2011 | 12:18 PM
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IF it has this in it and IF it doesn't have this in it? For crying out loud, IF your sister had cajones, she'd be your brother!! Why is it so hard to just wait and see what's in the darn thing? This place sounds like a knitting club for old ladies.

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Old 01-29-2011 | 12:43 PM
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Roll tide!
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Old 01-29-2011 | 02:46 PM
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On the conf call right now... 4A2B was/is addressed...GO PACK!!!
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Old 01-29-2011 | 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Check 6
On the conf call right now... 4A2B was/is addressed...GO PACK!!!
Let's keep P2P on the pilot to pilot level, not the pilot to public board. Our job is to get the word out person to person, not by posting on public internet forums.

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Old 01-29-2011 | 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunter
No fight? The company wants another FDA base. We said no unless you bargain for more than just the FDA.

Does anyone think BC and DW wish they were smart enough to include 777 pay rates with the original FDA LOA agreement?

No, they were smart enough. DW put out an email stating that we should carefully consider if bidding the 777 would be a good idea without a payrate (something to that effect), then he bid it and was senior enough to hold it. Unfathomable!
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Old 01-29-2011 | 05:02 PM
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I would have to agree that the Company really wanted new FDA stuff; that is why it all was "TA'd" so quickly. Based on that assumption, we certainly have the leverage and should go for the gusto. Once we sign off on this thing, we have no leverage for later. Thats what I thought about the FDA LOA, but I realize it was so crummy that it actually hurt the Companies planning, seeing how senior HKG went, as predicted (). Thank goodness they came up with 4a2b and excess bids to fill HKG.....geniuses! So now we might have a second chance to use some negotiating capital. We should really stand back and think for a moment. Remember that it is just business.

As for the pessimists on here; we need more of them! Kinda like piloting. Plan for the worst and hope for the best. Anyone who didnt learn from the last LOA debacle could be brain dead. Not trying to throw stones, but the facts are the facts.
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