FDX: any news on the USPS contract renewal
10-09-2012, 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Unknown Rider
You've got 6 months to ramp up, you don't think you can do it?
I bet even money they're just bidding the contract to mess with Fed Ex and make them lower their yield on a contract. Right out of the Warton Business School handbook.
10-09-2012, 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Flyinhigh
Massive hiring starting in the Fall of 2000. First USPS flight was flown 10 months later. Guess who paid for all of the training? It was part of the original contract with the USPS that they would pay for all of the training for our newhires. I was working in the 727 Training Department at the time and was part of the team setting up the training plans (off-site locations, numbers per month, etc.) Boss kept telling me to stop worrying about what it cost.
Bet that won't be in the next contract. So, advantage FedEx. We have the manning to do the contract (minus the retirements coming). Anyone else would have to ramp up hiring and training at their own expense.
Bet that won't be in the next contract. So, advantage FedEx. We have the manning to do the contract (minus the retirements coming). Anyone else would have to ramp up hiring and training at their own expense.
I don't know if they really want the USPS contract or not...But, anyone that thinks UPS CAN'T do it, needs to be drug tested.
10-09-2012, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Busboy
And your point is what? UPS doesn't have the money to train the crews?
I don't know if they really want the USPS contract or not...But, anyone that thinks UPS CAN'T do it, needs to be drug tested.
I don't know if they really want the USPS contract or not...But, anyone that thinks UPS CAN'T do it, needs to be drug tested.
Our up front costs are already done and were paid for by the USPS. We just need a few replacement parts every month to handle attrition.
Also, it took FedEx 10 months from contract award to first USPS flight. So, even if FedEx doesn't keep the contract, it will be a year before the flying stops.
10-09-2012, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Sideshow Bob
They COULD, but doesn't mean they WOULD. As is better for line pilots Fed Ex seems to believe in profit growth through revenue growth/growing market share. Since our ex-CFO became CEO the UPS strategy is primarily profit growth through cost controls and efficiency improvements. The results speak for themselves, but they may not be sustainable, and if (big if it seems) sustainable economic growth returns UPS will definitely be behind (as usual) to capitalize on it. They seem to be betting that things will continue to decline, and if true we are far better postured than Fed Ex to weather the end of the world, as apparently our CEO sees it. Postal yield is anemic in UPS' eyes, and they really hate the idea of buying more airplanes or hiring more pilots...for now, with THIS CEO.
I bet even money they're just bidding the contract to mess with Fed Ex and make them lower their yield on a contract. Right out of the Warton Business School handbook.
I bet even money they're just bidding the contract to mess with Fed Ex and make them lower their yield on a contract. Right out of the Warton Business School handbook.
10-09-2012, 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
Wait a minute, you guys folded just because we folded and that is out fault.
But be a little more specific, does the last contract rounds mean 2006 when you guys signed before we did? Or our 2011 contract extension?
But be a little more specific, does the last contract rounds mean 2006 when you guys signed before we did? Or our 2011 contract extension?
10-09-2012, 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by L'il J.Seinfeld
In 2006 you guys asked for less pay than what UPS had already agreed to pay us. We nearly had a done deal but ALPA went to the NMB asking for less than what we had already negotiated. UPS took it off the table. It's a simple truth and not intended to offend the rank and file line pilot at FDX. But your union representation is an absolute joke.
I'd take our contract over UPS's any day. And, quit your whining!
10-09-2012, 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by L'il J.Seinfeld
In 2006 you guys asked for less pay than what UPS had already agreed to pay us. We nearly had a done deal but ALPA went to the NMB asking for less than what we had already negotiated. UPS took it off the table. It's a simple truth and not intended to offend the rank and file line pilot at FDX. But your union representation is an absolute joke.
10-10-2012, 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by golfandfly
Give me a break.. Don't blame someone else because you can't close your deal..
I'd take our contract over UPS's any day. And, quit your whining!
I'd take our contract over UPS's any day. And, quit your whining!
So the Mediator said no way IPA. And so did UPS. When they settled for 223. Imagine what ALPA got? 224! ALPA did wimp out and came in at 212 an hour for who knows why.
My biggest beef is the EGO's involved. Why can't ALPA and the IPA talk before doing this?
And to really go Crazy, Delta and UAL pay in 2004!!! was 318.00 an hour for top widebody and 262.00 for 767 pay. EIGHT years ago. In todays dollars with 2% inflation, we would be way up there.
9-11 was a blessing for UPS and FDX. When it comes to pay for the pilots.
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