Cappy Parking 727s Next Month?
11-19-2012, 01:16 PM
#22
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Originally Posted by 757niteflyer
Is it fair to sit in the right seat of an ATI bird and make an extra check, more money than somebody else that's true ATI not a transplant from ABX. I'm sure in your world that's ok. I'm sure in a real ATI pilots world that's not fair. But I'm sure your not complaining about that.
As I have stated in an earlier post, the deal the pilots who have come over from ABX is between them and ATSG. It costs ATI nothing.
Thanks for playing anyway. Dripping with
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11-19-2012, 02:03 PM
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Has anyone realized that 1/2 of the members of the ATI ALPA leadership team were hired in September and October of 2009, just a few months before the ABX guys started coming on in April 2010.
If ATSG continues with plans to consolidate by merging the new ATI with ABX next year, the approximately 75 ABX/ATI guys will maintain their ABX seniority numbers that mostly go back to 2,000 or earlier. So, if the ABX and ATI lists were merged by DOH, those ATI MEC leaders would suddenly drop below all of the ABX/ATI guys. Unless... Those guys are still furloughed. If the 59 or so furloughed ABX/ATI guys remain furloughed through the ABX ATI merger, but the Capital guys hired after October 2009 get recalled, those ATI MEC leaders get to at least maintain a cushion of the Capital guys hired after 2009. Also, they appointed an FO rep to the Seniority List Integration Committee who is at almost exactly the same place on the seniority list as they are.
It would seem that ATSG management and a substantial part of the ATI ALPA decision makers may have a shared interest in seeing that the furloughed ABX/ATI remain in the furlough pool.
This has been a very secretive process and there is a definite opportunity for a conflict of interest, not to mention a motive. If I was sitting at numbers 109, 111, or 114 on the ATI seniority list, I would not be thrilled to see 59 ABX guys come out of furlough just before a possible ABX, ATI merger. I hate to bring this up, but I think it should be considered.
If ATSG continues with plans to consolidate by merging the new ATI with ABX next year, the approximately 75 ABX/ATI guys will maintain their ABX seniority numbers that mostly go back to 2,000 or earlier. So, if the ABX and ATI lists were merged by DOH, those ATI MEC leaders would suddenly drop below all of the ABX/ATI guys. Unless... Those guys are still furloughed. If the 59 or so furloughed ABX/ATI guys remain furloughed through the ABX ATI merger, but the Capital guys hired after October 2009 get recalled, those ATI MEC leaders get to at least maintain a cushion of the Capital guys hired after 2009. Also, they appointed an FO rep to the Seniority List Integration Committee who is at almost exactly the same place on the seniority list as they are.
It would seem that ATSG management and a substantial part of the ATI ALPA decision makers may have a shared interest in seeing that the furloughed ABX/ATI remain in the furlough pool.
This has been a very secretive process and there is a definite opportunity for a conflict of interest, not to mention a motive. If I was sitting at numbers 109, 111, or 114 on the ATI seniority list, I would not be thrilled to see 59 ABX guys come out of furlough just before a possible ABX, ATI merger. I hate to bring this up, but I think it should be considered.
11-19-2012, 02:12 PM
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November 19, 2012
This is an ATI MEC update with 1 new item.
Additional Furloughs – The MEC received the unfortunate news that there will be additional furloughs as of tomorrow. We are saddened to report that management notified us of 9 more first officer furloughs due to complications with the DHL contract in Bahrain. Management informed us that this furlough does not have anything to do with the 727 retirements as they will be replaced one for one with 757 aircraft.
Your MEC understands how terrible this situation is with the holidays approaching and is very disappointed that some of our crewmembers are in this predicament. To those affected, please utilize the ALPA Furloughed Pilots Support Program that is in place to assist you.
Management did provide additional information that this furlough will be cancelled if current negotiations with DHL on crew costs can be satisfied or if the Asia flying starts up as scheduled on January 15, 2013. The MEC hopes that one of these scenarios happens and more crewmembers will be recalled.
We will keep you informed if anything changes with this situation.
This is an ATI MEC update with 1 new item.
Additional Furloughs – The MEC received the unfortunate news that there will be additional furloughs as of tomorrow. We are saddened to report that management notified us of 9 more first officer furloughs due to complications with the DHL contract in Bahrain. Management informed us that this furlough does not have anything to do with the 727 retirements as they will be replaced one for one with 757 aircraft.
Your MEC understands how terrible this situation is with the holidays approaching and is very disappointed that some of our crewmembers are in this predicament. To those affected, please utilize the ALPA Furloughed Pilots Support Program that is in place to assist you.
Management did provide additional information that this furlough will be cancelled if current negotiations with DHL on crew costs can be satisfied or if the Asia flying starts up as scheduled on January 15, 2013. The MEC hopes that one of these scenarios happens and more crewmembers will be recalled.
We will keep you informed if anything changes with this situation.
11-19-2012, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by blogwth
. ....Also, they appointed an FO rep to the Seniority List Integration Committee who is at almost exactly the same place on the seniority list as they are.
11-19-2012, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by 757niteflyer
Maybe the ABX transplants could give up the extra check and save some fellow employees jobs
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