Cappy Parking 727s Next Month?
11-20-2012 | 09:16 AM
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The fence I'm talking about is the fence that's going to go up, not because of JCBA but because people need to be trained.
So what's the story with the 727s? The news story says that they're all being parked in less than six weeks. You say that's not true. Where does that come from?
11-20-2012 | 09:21 AM
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Because we are scheduling 72 training, 1 is going into c check, everyone is going into basic indoc. Even on phone conference DM mentioned 75 and 72 proving runs next year.
If they parked them is DHL just abandoning those lines of flying. They could park them but from this side doesn't seem any indication they are.
I understand we can start bidding other equipment as soon as we are trained, when do you think that would happen ? As far as past practice with our FAA they wouldn't allow any procedure or equipment type implementation until all crews or aircraft met requirements. I'm kinda assuming the same logic, nobody will bid 76s until all crews have differences training. That's where I'm coming up with a year before we start mixing.
As far as published reserve lines, we have none.
If they parked them is DHL just abandoning those lines of flying. They could park them but from this side doesn't seem any indication they are.
I understand we can start bidding other equipment as soon as we are trained, when do you think that would happen ? As far as past practice with our FAA they wouldn't allow any procedure or equipment type implementation until all crews or aircraft met requirements. I'm kinda assuming the same logic, nobody will bid 76s until all crews have differences training. That's where I'm coming up with a year before we start mixing.
As far as published reserve lines, we have none.
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11-20-2012 | 09:58 AM
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If they parked them is DHL just abandoning those lines of flying.
As far as published reserve lines, we have none.
11-20-2012 | 10:10 AM
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I agree they could. I'm not saying they are or aren't going to park them all I'm saying is regardless of the news story it doesn't appear from this side they are going away.
Well the office is sure acting like crews are going to be increased (cost analysis, number of crews required, etc..) you tell me that their are reserve lines required I tell you everyone is flying, no reserve lines, but your saying that their wont be a need to increase crews.
I'm missing something.
11-20-2012 | 10:27 AM
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you tell me that their are reserve lines required I tell you everyone is flying, no reserve lines, but your saying that their wont be a need to increase crews.
11-20-2012 | 10:41 AM
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Okay lets get some items straight.
The 727 and DC8 will all go away. No if, no and and no but. They are all going away.
It is just the timeline that is fluid.
As for manipulation of the merger, what did you expect.
Both ATI and Cappy MEC's are way way to trusting. If managements lips are moving, they are either telling lies or manipulating the situation.
In this case trading expensive crews for cheaper crews.
Rank and file ATI guys got had in this merger.
Cappy guys brought little to the table, a few 757 (4?) and a bunch of 727's that would eventually go away and lots more pilots than they needed......
So once Cappy is merged into ATI, will you all please learn from this mess?
The next merger will be down right ugly. You must believe that JH wants the Abx contract to die in it.
Beware.........
The 727 and DC8 will all go away. No if, no and and no but. They are all going away.
It is just the timeline that is fluid.
As for manipulation of the merger, what did you expect.
Both ATI and Cappy MEC's are way way to trusting. If managements lips are moving, they are either telling lies or manipulating the situation.
In this case trading expensive crews for cheaper crews.
Rank and file ATI guys got had in this merger.
Cappy guys brought little to the table, a few 757 (4?) and a bunch of 727's that would eventually go away and lots more pilots than they needed......
So once Cappy is merged into ATI, will you all please learn from this mess?
The next merger will be down right ugly. You must believe that JH wants the Abx contract to die in it.
Beware.........
11-20-2012 | 11:14 AM
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Yes I agree
DC-8 and 727 are going away eventually,
ATI brings some 76s DC-8s and a ton of pilots sitting on their butts doing nothing,
CCIA brings a pilot group where everyone is flying
CCIA is bringing profit
ATI well you know that answer (I think DM said 11 million in losses per something, that's not important when CCIA has so many 72 pilots sitting around)
Oh and I forgot the new hire + guys ( CCIA wouldn't agree to that, those guys will start screaming if we don't include them)
DC-8 and 727 are going away eventually,
ATI brings some 76s DC-8s and a ton of pilots sitting on their butts doing nothing,
CCIA brings a pilot group where everyone is flying
CCIA is bringing profit
ATI well you know that answer (I think DM said 11 million in losses per something, that's not important when CCIA has so many 72 pilots sitting around)
Oh and I forgot the new hire + guys ( CCIA wouldn't agree to that, those guys will start screaming if we don't include them)
11-20-2012 | 12:29 PM
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Well, I certainly hope you're right about the 727s. Just wish there was something a bit more solid saying that the news item is wrong.
The training backlog dried up last summer. Only three guys (+1 FAA) currently in 767 training. They finished 767 ground yesterday and start sim tomorrow. The only one waiting for training to start is the Chief-Pilot-Elect. There isn't anyone on, or waiting for, IOE.
CCI has a "new hire +" guy currently on property. He's the only one (that I know of) who has three ATSG seniority numbers--one at each of the three ATSG airlines!
Oh and I forgot the new hire + guys ( CCIA wouldn't agree to that, those guys will start screaming if we don't include them)
11-20-2012 | 12:29 PM
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Actually CCIA did have a new hire + as you call them. He did get the over ride while at CCIA, but quit to go to ATI.
Probably the wrong move in hindsight.
But just shows that in fact your pilot group had zero say or influence in what ATSG agreed to do with the ex Abx boys!
Probably the wrong move in hindsight.
But just shows that in fact your pilot group had zero say or influence in what ATSG agreed to do with the ex Abx boys!
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