pinseeker

Obviously you haven't flown international for a commercial carrier. Maybe the captain driving a barge on the Mississippi should make the same as a captain on an oil tanker. A boat is a boat, right? Maybe the guys flying the caravans, or the guys flying for corporate should make the same as the 777 captains.

MaydayMark

Maybe an MD-11 captain should make as much as a 777 captain? After all, a boat is a boat ... right? Even though that MD captain could never be as smart or good looking as a 777 captain (could he ever be worthy of a 777 lanyard?)

OKLATEX

Maybe YOU should apply to UPS when they start to hire.

Single pay rate seems to be important to YOU.

Huck

You guys need to learn about grid payments.

OKLATEX

Are you familiar with Decision 83?

StarClipper

There is absolutely no need to get personal and tell anyone where they should choose to work. We are having an open discussion and there was no comparism made to UPS. In this tough economic times it just seems like a single pay rate who have been more beneficial to both the FDX and it's pilot group. Now if there is something you'd like to educate me on, I'm always open to learning.

MX727

Ok, but in the Cargo section, UPS has a single pay rate. It is touted as the be-all-end-all by some. But, despite that single pay rate, it doesn't sound like lollipops and unicorns over there. Their issues are just different than ours.

If FedEx wants to pay for training, that is their decision. If they really thought that they'd save enough training money, they would be all over the single rate and would be offering it.

Finally, most of the seat swapping that has been mentioned isn't even related to chasing pay. A large amount of the movement is from wide-body to wide-body and/or wide-body domicile swaps. Both of those result in no net pay change. Just quality of life, which the single pay rate wouldn't change.

Pakagecheck

Star,
Maybe he took it a bit personal since you said "you guys should have".
That is kind of pointed and personal hinting on "you f'd up". It's ok to tell someone what they should have negotiated but it's not ok to tell them where you think they should work?

Not sure if you know our numbers but less than 20% of the crew force is on a narrow body, and less than 10%(right now) are getting NB pay. Also, our seniority on each a/c would be totally different if we went to a single pay rate. Many junior captains wouldn't even be close to holding their current seat. As has been stated by a few already, it would be much more beneficial for the company to have a single pay rate to save on training costs, so let them bring it to the table. Changing the rules in the middle of the game could get quite messy. what do we do, have one giant open system bid? Imagine that training cycle cost.

CactusCrew

FWIW ... It hasn't worked that way at UPS.

We have Capts and FOs that have been displaced and retrained so much in the last 5 years that they have been typed on ALL of our current fleet AND been to most, if not all of our bases. All via company initiated displacements and reshuffling.

So don't think for one minute that a single pay rate would prevent multiple seat moves ...

That is something that MANAGEMENT has to commit to if they WANT to.

RedeyeAV8r

or maybe not be as good of a tool either