Good thing all that training is free.

FJ

 

You guys should have negotiated a single pay "bring narrow body pay up to wide body pay" so guys would bid what they want to fly, stop chasing $$$$ and that would alot eliminate the artificial seniority at some bases on some equipment and minimize future crew shuffle.

 

It's out now....

 

But, but, but, artificial seniority is a good deal - according to some!

 

You don't think it can be? I certainly do. But if you think the 5 or 10% of the crew force that takes advantage of people chasing money is stopping ALPA from going after a single pay rate, I think you are mistaken. For every mid seniority guy chasing life style there is a guy junior to him chasing money that is just as happy with the status quo. Not to mention the other 3000+ WB pilots who think they will have to give something up to get a single rate.

 

While you're passing our negotiating advice why don't you pop over to the Delta forum....they have 9 different equipment pay scales. I'm sure they'd love to hear from a man with your obvious CBA acumen.

 

I think Starship is correct. The pay scales were established by ALPA a few generations ago and serve only to complicate bidding and run up training costs for the company. This excess bid is a fine example of redundant training costs and seat movement. Excessing out of the 777 to then move pilots into the 777. Ridiculous!

One pay scale that only differentiates left seat and right seat and longevity would eliminate much of this musical chairs: guys getting knocked out of seats within one year of having been trained in that seat. What a waste of money!

 

OK, I'm in....let's say "We want a substantial pay increase for our wide body rates and we want all the narrow body guys to get the same [increased] rate. Oh and BTW, we're really not willing to give up anything for this swell idea. However, you'll save a ton of money on training pay" Is that about it? Or, maybe you think we should meet in the middle?
Fact is, UPS is the odd man out here. Go through the pay charts on APC and you'll see that more pay for bigger equipment is the industry standard. The fact that a guy flying MEM-TUL in an A-310 gets the same rate as a 777 guy flying MEM-DXB makes the rest of the industry think we're nuts......as opposed to us not having a single pay rate like UPS. Trust me, if the company thought the savings were worth it.....it'd happened a loooong time ago. I appreciate your concern for the company's training costs and "waste of money", but really, do you think you care more than that manager eager for a five star award for saving money? Lastly, the narrow/body wide body split happened when FedEx got the DC-10....pre-ALPA, and in fact pre-union.....couldn't have the dirty 30 getting the same pay as those low life 727 and Falcon losers now could we

 

Sounds great to me, but this huge training float equals extra pilots. If we went single pay rate, we would probably need at least 200 less pilots...

 

No they won't. How hard is it to fly to DXB vs TUL? The hard part is not cruise. The reality is MEM-TUL would go senior and the junior guys would be complaining and the multiple time zones. I highly doubt Capt 64.5yo loves flying to DXB vs. LAX. What's the most senior at the Majors? Domestic 777 from IAD to SFO I suspect.