Posting 13-03 is out.. Let the Excesses begin
04-12-2013 | 11:22 PM
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They are parking the all 727's. That means 230 Pilots + or - have to go somewhere.
The excess Bid would have happened regardless of the LOA passing. What about JR Captains getting flushed?
04-13-2013 | 12:46 AM
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Quite a bit fewer in the 727 than I thought. Total of 177.
93 Captains, 45 FO's, 39 SO's. I'm sure a fair amount of those 39 SO's are over 65 and won't be flushing anyone.
04-13-2013 | 01:06 AM
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Tony,
I guess 15-30 guys are ahead of me on FEPP list. However, next vacancy bid, 15-29 of them "might" hold WB captain somewhere else so I pretty much plan on being #1. If you bid it--that's how you have to plan. Then again, 100 guys might bid for FEPP that are senior to me on this bid, so who knows. I check on round trip ticket prices to HKG about every 2-3 months on Delta and expedia, and like the guys in front of me who got tagged I'm ready to go tomorrow if required.
Bid what you want, be ready to face the music.
Understand you dig at the guys who bid ANC, but honestly--have you seen how much INTL flying is left in the MEM bid back? We got guys hired 5 years after me that can DH to Paris from ANC, or DH to MEM and go HNL/SYD, and I cannot hold VCP or SJU in our MEM bidpack. I think some of the flight to ANC has been from the guys who commute anyway and want to fly some INTL. I look at my travel pix from 3-4 years ago and I saw Penang, Hong Kong, Cologne, Milan, etc. These days I see SLC (nice), OAK (nice), but it ain't the same. I think some guys bid it because a little longer flight to work is worth the rewards. Its ALL a great job, but its not the magic carpet tour bus it was a while back. And--sounds like it will get worse before it gets better. I don't want to do IND turns for a career--I want to see the world. I think some of the ANC guys feel the same, but I'll let then chime in for themselves.
Edit: I think FEPP info, including pilot emp numbers, is on the ALPA site on grievance page. Guys can do their own research and make their own decisions, but probably better to look at source docs instead of "some guy on APC said...."
I guess 15-30 guys are ahead of me on FEPP list. However, next vacancy bid, 15-29 of them "might" hold WB captain somewhere else so I pretty much plan on being #1. If you bid it--that's how you have to plan. Then again, 100 guys might bid for FEPP that are senior to me on this bid, so who knows. I check on round trip ticket prices to HKG about every 2-3 months on Delta and expedia, and like the guys in front of me who got tagged I'm ready to go tomorrow if required.
Bid what you want, be ready to face the music.
Understand you dig at the guys who bid ANC, but honestly--have you seen how much INTL flying is left in the MEM bid back? We got guys hired 5 years after me that can DH to Paris from ANC, or DH to MEM and go HNL/SYD, and I cannot hold VCP or SJU in our MEM bidpack. I think some of the flight to ANC has been from the guys who commute anyway and want to fly some INTL. I look at my travel pix from 3-4 years ago and I saw Penang, Hong Kong, Cologne, Milan, etc. These days I see SLC (nice), OAK (nice), but it ain't the same. I think some guys bid it because a little longer flight to work is worth the rewards. Its ALL a great job, but its not the magic carpet tour bus it was a while back. And--sounds like it will get worse before it gets better. I don't want to do IND turns for a career--I want to see the world. I think some of the ANC guys feel the same, but I'll let then chime in for themselves.
Edit: I think FEPP info, including pilot emp numbers, is on the ALPA site on grievance page. Guys can do their own research and make their own decisions, but probably better to look at source docs instead of "some guy on APC said...."
04-13-2013 | 04:47 AM
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Air cargo is not a growth industry. In fact, it is a declining industry. That big bucket of money we used to dip into shipping high tech consumer goods from plants in Asia is drying up faster than the PC computer. Companies that ran to China to find cheap labor are dribbling back because things haven't worked out there like they thought. We are discovering the same thing with our "backdoor" flying in both Europe and Asia.
5 months ago, we figured we'd be hiring 9-14 a month just to cover retirements. Now we probably won't be hiring for over a year and we still might be fat. We've already deferred 11 777's and I would be surprised if we end up with all 27 767's we ordered. Meanwhile, we have accelerated retirements of both the MD-10 and the Airbus. The only airplane we seem to be accelerating our purchases of is the 757.
My point in all this isn't to focus on doom and gloom. My point is we just ratified an LOA based on a goal of "preserving" wide body seats. We don't control wide body seats. The company does. What we can attempt to negotiate is pay rates. We did. We just locked in narrow body pay rates for the 757 until it retires. We did that with a shrinking wide body fleet, and a growing narrow body fleet. All to "preserve wide body seats".
No wonder the company came to such a quick agreement on this LOA.
04-13-2013 | 05:14 AM
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The problem with Anchorage is the cyclic nature of the bid pack. A few months ago there were Paris dh's. Not anymore. Now we are getting a few MEM and HNL dh's. They will pass. The only given is that you will see some sequence of TPE-CAN-KIX-NRT-ICN on your trip. After almost 7 years in the great white north...I can tell you it's just as boring as domestic flying. Our layovers have even been getting noticeably shorter.
04-13-2013 | 05:24 AM
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What we can attempt to negotiate is pay rates. We did. We just locked in narrow body pay rates for the 757 until it retires. We did that with a shrinking wide body fleet, and a growing narrow body fleet. All to "preserve wide body seats".
No wonder the company came to such a quick agreement on this LOA.
No wonder the company came to such a quick agreement on this LOA.
The LOA we voted on was about bid packs. Our next CBA may raise our pay rates, for both wide body and narrow body.
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