pinseeker

So if what you are saying is true, no one can be awarded 757 mem or CGN either, because there were no vacancies announced. So where are all of the 727 guys going to go with all of the other crew positions showing an excess?

Tuck

Good point - disregard my earlier one. So I guess there's no way to know how many people they will allow into CGN and HKG until it closes - like the Company's FCIF said and TonyC has alluded to.??? But...you can always rescind the offer if you get stuck with it and don't want it.

Butter

Ok, now it makes sense...just not sure how that happens though!

TonyC

There are no secondaries on an Excess Bid.

Nobody can voluntarily bid out of HKG on this excess bid. There is no Excess declared in those seats, so they are not eligible to bid.

However, that does not preclude The Company from awarding seats in HKG. It's entirely up to them to decide what constitutes an excess there, and they can award seats right up until that point. It's a great unknown that The Company in its new Just Culture mindset is exploiting in order to scare people away from bidding for FEPP.

They say, "Bid what you want to fly." That strategy has merit. I say, "Know your contractual rights." It might require a little more work, but it might also involve a little more reward.


The B-767 Vacancy Posting is a different story. If a HKG pilot receives a B-767 seat award, he creates a secondary vacancy, and The Company may choose to fill that secondary vacancy ... or not.




FEPP guys can not end FEPP eligibility by doing a lateral bid on this EXCESS posting. 2.f. of the Settlement Agreement applies to "non-excess, vacancy posting."

They can end FEPP on the subsequent B-767 posting. Be careful how you bid -- you may need to change your standing bid after the Excess Posting closes and before the Vacancy Posting closes.






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NoHaz

Good point Tony... Someone on the FEPP list can lateral bid on the Excess bid and continue with FEPP and not face repayment but for the Vacancy bid that is not the case.

I'm still not buying that the need for two separate vacancy and excess bids was merely a software issue.