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09-28-2013, 08:05 PM
#72
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Originally Posted by Anthrax
I thought Patton wanted other dumb bastards to die for their country?
And while I understand and appreciate your argument, we differ when it comes to the heart of the issue, which is whether or not a man can be trusted simply by something as arbitrary as a lanyard. Or whether unity is to be derived from such a litmus test. If only it were that simple, and therefore it seems unreasonable to reduce the essence of our collectivity to an item that we use to hold our company credentials.
Truth is, if there ever comes a time, God forbid, when the chips are truly down, I believe that many would act in accordance with our union directives, but that many, far too many, would not, lanyards be damned. That's all that really matters, a situation that hopefully we will never have to face.
In the end, this lanyard stuff is nothing but fluff. That it bothers people so dearly is something that I will never for the life of me understand.
Again, while I do appreciate your argument, we just differ at the heart!
And while I understand and appreciate your argument, we differ when it comes to the heart of the issue, which is whether or not a man can be trusted simply by something as arbitrary as a lanyard. Or whether unity is to be derived from such a litmus test. If only it were that simple, and therefore it seems unreasonable to reduce the essence of our collectivity to an item that we use to hold our company credentials.
Truth is, if there ever comes a time, God forbid, when the chips are truly down, I believe that many would act in accordance with our union directives, but that many, far too many, would not, lanyards be damned. That's all that really matters, a situation that hopefully we will never have to face.
In the end, this lanyard stuff is nothing but fluff. That it bothers people so dearly is something that I will never for the life of me understand.
Again, while I do appreciate your argument, we just differ at the heart!
All protestation and hypotheticals aside.... Whether they do or don't watch.....will YOU or will YOU not wear the lanyard?
I'm wearing mine.
09-28-2013, 08:32 PM
#73
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Originally Posted by Albief15
2000 + hours in fighters, combat on the ground during Desert Storm...
I won't wear anything BUT an ALPA lanyard. I didn't wear my FedEx stuff into my squadron when I flew in the ANG, but guys there knew I was proud of being an airline pilot. I don't wear military stuff into FedEx, not because I am not proud of what I did, but because I respect the profession and the work many did before me to get us where we are today in the industry. Fred Smith may have built FedEx, but the contracts we have--modeled after contracts at other airlines--came from years of effort, collective resolve, and sacrifice. I respected the culture of my service, and was proud of it. I certainly respect the culture of the US Marine Corp, and think the whole Quantico indoc process creates a damn good officer.
But like Huck--I know trip rig, duty rig, per diem, TCAS, GPWS, and a host of everything things we take for granted all came because somebody else helped bring them to us. ALPA has done a lot of us individually and collectively.
Wasn't it Patton who famously railed on troops for improper minor uniform infractions? "If I cannot get them to wear the right socks, how can I expect them to die for their country?" I feel the same way at FedEx. How can I trust you to have my back when the chips are down, when I cannot even get you to wear your lanyard?
Its your call. I'll never try to "intimidate" anyone. But if the University of XXX or flashing your old service is more important to you than showing a little unity, noted. I can't fix that. But I know what I will be wearing...
I won't wear anything BUT an ALPA lanyard. I didn't wear my FedEx stuff into my squadron when I flew in the ANG, but guys there knew I was proud of being an airline pilot. I don't wear military stuff into FedEx, not because I am not proud of what I did, but because I respect the profession and the work many did before me to get us where we are today in the industry. Fred Smith may have built FedEx, but the contracts we have--modeled after contracts at other airlines--came from years of effort, collective resolve, and sacrifice. I respected the culture of my service, and was proud of it. I certainly respect the culture of the US Marine Corp, and think the whole Quantico indoc process creates a damn good officer.
But like Huck--I know trip rig, duty rig, per diem, TCAS, GPWS, and a host of everything things we take for granted all came because somebody else helped bring them to us. ALPA has done a lot of us individually and collectively.
Wasn't it Patton who famously railed on troops for improper minor uniform infractions? "If I cannot get them to wear the right socks, how can I expect them to die for their country?" I feel the same way at FedEx. How can I trust you to have my back when the chips are down, when I cannot even get you to wear your lanyard?
Its your call. I'll never try to "intimidate" anyone. But if the University of XXX or flashing your old service is more important to you than showing a little unity, noted. I can't fix that. But I know what I will be wearing...
09-28-2013, 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Laughing_Jakal
Seems like you're making this much more difficult than it needs to be.
All protestation and hypotheticals aside.... Whether they do or don't watch.....will YOU or will YOU not wear the lanyard?
I'm wearing mine
All protestation and hypotheticals aside.... Whether they do or don't watch.....will YOU or will YOU not wear the lanyard?
I'm wearing mine
09-29-2013, 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Anthrax
...If only it were that simple, and therefore it seems unreasonable to reduce the essence of our collectivity to an item that we use to hold our company credentials.
...In the end, this lanyard stuff is nothing but fluff. That it bothers people so dearly is something that I will never for the life of me understand...
...In the end, this lanyard stuff is nothing but fluff. That it bothers people so dearly is something that I will never for the life of me understand...
It is as if you had a lawyer representing you, in YOUR best interest, giving you direct advice on something that may seem minor or trivial, which you then choose to disregard (after paying him from your hard earned dollars for said advice). Somewhat ridiculous right?
For what it's worth- I also have a different lanyard I would rather wear, but not until after we ratify our new CBA, as our union has asked of us.
09-29-2013, 08:05 AM
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Basic training 101
...Officer or Enlisted
...Academy, ROTC or OCS
...Active Duty, Guard or Reserve
....Marines, Navy, Army, Air Force or Coast Guard
It's a simple universal concept:
"No Quibbling"
Make your old Drill Sergeant, or Upper Classman, or Flight Commander proud
Lanyards On while "on duty"
...then wear what you want on your "weekend leave"
In "Unity"
VR,
DLax
...Officer or Enlisted
...Academy, ROTC or OCS
...Active Duty, Guard or Reserve
....Marines, Navy, Army, Air Force or Coast Guard
It's a simple universal concept:
"No Quibbling"
Make your old Drill Sergeant, or Upper Classman, or Flight Commander proud
Lanyards On while "on duty"
...then wear what you want on your "weekend leave"
In "Unity"
VR,
DLax
09-29-2013, 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Anthrax
And it's funny to suggest that wearing the ALPA lanyard is about getting the job done. I mean, these are gems that you're giving us here. I can't stop laughing.
While I agree that management is watching us, it certainly isn't to tally those of us wearing ALPA hats or lanyards. They are watching us pick up disputed pairings, sell our leverage for three percent, and trip over our kids when the phone rings for draft.
So believe in the rabbit's foot if you will; however, don't think for one moment that when and if the time comes for real participation (aside from monthly dues) that lanyards are going to make a hill of beans difference one way or the other.
we differ when it comes to the heart of the issue, which is whether or not a man can be trusted simply by something as arbitrary as a lanyard.
Truth is, if there ever comes a time, God forbid, when the chips are truly down, I believe that many would act in accordance with our union directives, but that many, far too many, would not, lanyards be damned.
Anthrax
You profess to have a solid ethos but your actions depend on what others might do.
Doesn't matter what they do, it matters what you do.
You sound like you've given up. I don't attribute that quality to a Marine either. I guess you are a very retired Marine.
Let us know if you ever get your mojo back.
09-29-2013, 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunter
Every Marine I know takes meticulous care of their uniform. The lanyard is part of ours.
You profess to have a solid ethos but your actions depend on what others might do.
Doesn't matter what they do, it matters what you do.
You sound like you've given up. I don't attribute that quality to a Marine either. I guess you are a very retired Marine.
Let us know if you ever get your mojo back.
You profess to have a solid ethos but your actions depend on what others might do.
Doesn't matter what they do, it matters what you do.
You sound like you've given up. I don't attribute that quality to a Marine either. I guess you are a very retired Marine.
Let us know if you ever get your mojo back.
And if I were so inclined to base my actions on what other may think I'd be wearing that magical ALPA lanyard and clicking my heels together thrice, and if so inclined on what others may do I'd be picking up disputed pairings. Neither of which suits me just fine.
As for my mojo: it's right here, Gunt, thanks for asking.
09-30-2013, 11:31 AM
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If I'd been so inclined, I might have put on that magical Eagle, Globe and Anchor and clicked my heels together 3 times.....only to realize, it's not the symbols that are magical, it's the resolve we bring to them. A new Marine draws upon the legacy of The Corps for his strength, and the strength of the Corps is in the individual Marine.
A True Marine would wear TWO lanyards, or transition to the ALPA lanyard during S6 negotiations and display his/her Eagle, Globe and Anchor in a different way (Marine PX has one for $9.95)
Anthrax-at this moment, all I know about you is that you place your individual needs above that of the group.
Not sure exactly when, or if you will step up....
And Mgt Does notice lanyards, and hats, if they didn't, well there wouldn't be mention of same by Mgt in various lawsuits over the years.
As for me, when you see me, quite obvious which team I'm on. And, it isn't The Marines, the AF, the Vikings, or any of the other possible magical lanyards I could be wearing
http://www.emarinepx.com/mm5/merchan...egory_Code=MUA
A True Marine would wear TWO lanyards, or transition to the ALPA lanyard during S6 negotiations and display his/her Eagle, Globe and Anchor in a different way (Marine PX has one for $9.95)
Anthrax-at this moment, all I know about you is that you place your individual needs above that of the group.
Not sure exactly when, or if you will step up....
And Mgt Does notice lanyards, and hats, if they didn't, well there wouldn't be mention of same by Mgt in various lawsuits over the years.
As for me, when you see me, quite obvious which team I'm on. And, it isn't The Marines, the AF, the Vikings, or any of the other possible magical lanyards I could be wearing
http://www.emarinepx.com/mm5/merchan...egory_Code=MUA
09-30-2013, 02:47 PM
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Sirs:
I'll tell you what management has noticed - 93% of the crew force pressing the NO BRAINER BUTTON that our FDX MEC put out a few weeks ago about PBS. As the email said, it's non-scientific, and could be plus/minus a few numbers, but that was the fastest and most resolve we've shown on ANY issue recently.
"So, what is the temperature of FedEx pilots regarding management’s PBS proposal? In only four days, you responded with more than 4,300 “No PBS” selections! This exceeds any other polling or surveying in both the speed with which you responded, and the quantity of responses. Nothing in our experience has resonated like this particular issue. Having registered your opposition one last time, we hope that management will remove this impediment, and now move on to concluding this negotiation in a reasonable amount of time. We are ready to conclude this negotiation and continue our focus on providing the best service in the express cargo business."
So ... regardless of the lanyard we wear, when we've got a crew force that's not just determined, but participate and speak with their votes, we'll have gotten management's attention. 4,300 crew members paying attention and engaged with our negotiations helps.
V/R,
Nakazawa
I'll tell you what management has noticed - 93% of the crew force pressing the NO BRAINER BUTTON that our FDX MEC put out a few weeks ago about PBS. As the email said, it's non-scientific, and could be plus/minus a few numbers, but that was the fastest and most resolve we've shown on ANY issue recently.
"So, what is the temperature of FedEx pilots regarding management’s PBS proposal? In only four days, you responded with more than 4,300 “No PBS” selections! This exceeds any other polling or surveying in both the speed with which you responded, and the quantity of responses. Nothing in our experience has resonated like this particular issue. Having registered your opposition one last time, we hope that management will remove this impediment, and now move on to concluding this negotiation in a reasonable amount of time. We are ready to conclude this negotiation and continue our focus on providing the best service in the express cargo business."
So ... regardless of the lanyard we wear, when we've got a crew force that's not just determined, but participate and speak with their votes, we'll have gotten management's attention. 4,300 crew members paying attention and engaged with our negotiations helps.
V/R,
Nakazawa
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