UPS 1354 CVR Transcript
02-23-2014 | 10:32 PM
#151
Da Hudge
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From: Poodle Whisperer
02-23-2014 | 11:27 PM
#152
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From: MD11 CPT
Now we know who writes all those retarded bulletins when he isn't butt snorkeling to keep his soon to be "right-sized" job. 
As Max Profit continues to look for costs to cut, it will be hilarious to watch them cut each other's throats to survive!
"Mad Max Beyond Blunderdome"
Two scabs enter, one scab leaves!
As Max Profit continues to look for costs to cut, it will be hilarious to watch them cut each other's throats to survive!
"Mad Max Beyond Blunderdome"
Two scabs enter, one scab leaves!
02-24-2014 | 03:09 AM
#153
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From: Brown ones
Sideshow, you spelled judgment wrong. You apparently work out at Planet Fitness. Have you ever considered anger management classes? You seem wound up tighter than an eight day clock.
In the end, anyone reading this post who thinks it could never happen to them probably doesn't have a lot of experience flying. Crap can happen so quickly in this business.
If fatigue was a contributing factor in this accident, which nobody will ever know for sure, then it was due to personal voices in how the layover was used. The NTSB hearing made it clear that there was sufficient layover time in the published and flown schedule to be on one's A game.
In the end, anyone reading this post who thinks it could never happen to them probably doesn't have a lot of experience flying. Crap can happen so quickly in this business.
If fatigue was a contributing factor in this accident, which nobody will ever know for sure, then it was due to personal voices in how the layover was used. The NTSB hearing made it clear that there was sufficient layover time in the published and flown schedule to be on one's A game.
02-24-2014 | 10:50 AM
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From: MD11 CPT
02-24-2014 | 11:27 AM
#156
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From: Knuckle-dragging line pilot
The pod is the way to go. I fly both a 300F and a 300ER, and the difference is, shall we say, stark. Our ERs have been upgraded to an extent. Haven't tried the new version out yet, but it's still the old-style first class seats, but at least now they're up front and somewhat more shielded from the rest of the plane. The ERFs - nobody uses the observer seat. At best, guys fold down the three jumpseats along the back wall and at least get horizontal, but it blocks the lav. Ridiculous.
class 3 is the lowest one required, and in the case of the 767-300F there are other options if you need a class 1 approved crew rest area. One is a loadable module in the first position that is a very nice unit with all the bells and whistles.
I think that this issue is certainly another issue lobbied by industry (Cargo) as extra cost, and once again an improvement that we could use to ensure the best possible rest environment for off duty crews. Let's face it, crappy coach/old business class style seats or an unsafe futon on the floor needs to be fixed.
I think that this issue is certainly another issue lobbied by industry (Cargo) as extra cost, and once again an improvement that we could use to ensure the best possible rest environment for off duty crews. Let's face it, crappy coach/old business class style seats or an unsafe futon on the floor needs to be fixed.
02-24-2014 | 11:52 AM
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I've underestimated simple things as PED use and hotel key card usage. The NTSB has documented the entire activity for both CA and FO leading up to the accident. The FOs activities are surprising in terms of lack of rest and all of it seems self-induced. It's scary considering how little sleep the FO decided to take, and other priorities like jumpseating out of the SAT overnight to stay with a friend at HOU. The hotel room key card usage is an interesting thing as well. When there's no PED activity, one might assume the person is sleeping but the NTSB checked the room key card swipes for that day and know whether or not the pilot went to the room at a certain time.
02-24-2014 | 12:06 PM
#158
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From: Short the Market
I've underestimated simple things as PED use and hotel key card usage. The NTSB has documented the entire activity for both CA and FO leading up to the accident. The FOs activities are surprising in terms of lack of rest and all of it seems self-induced. It's scary considering how little sleep the FO decided to take, and other priorities like jumpseating out of the SAT overnight to stay with a friend at HOU. The hotel room key card usage is an interesting thing as well. When there's no PED activity, one might assume the person is sleeping but the NTSB checked the room key card swipes for that day and know whether or not the pilot went to the room at a certain time.
02-24-2014 | 12:09 PM
#159
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From: Retired MD11 Capt
I hope the NTSB doesn't assume that every card swipe means someone is returning to the room. I routinely swipe the card as I'm leaving to verify that it's still active. You'd be amazed the number of times I've checked into a room at 0630 and had the card time out at noon. Swiping as I'm leaving often saves me another trip to the lobby and back when I return.
02-24-2014 | 12:15 PM
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From: Capt
I flew night schedules all the time (week on, week off). I was able adapt quite well. Never affected me.
Big airlines have to hire a lot of people, so there will be a range of how fatigue affects them. To be safe, you need to make sure the safety standards are good enough for ALL the pilots at your company.
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