TonyC

If we're willing to throw any group under the bus, we're willing to throw every group under the bus. That's exactly the fracture our opponent is looking for, and they'll be happy to exploit it.

Whatever affects any of us affects ALL of us. We'll be a lot better off if we all stick together.






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skypig

Mea Culpa guys....I have seen the error in my myopic selfish ways and am converted... 😄

Gunter

Jack Lewis always said you couldn't compare us to Delta. But now it seems everyone does. Our hiring has gone that direction. Labor Relations looks to Delta for how to proceed in CBA discussions.

So where is the profit sharing proposal? Delta pilots got 8.26% for 2013 and will get 5% for 2014.

We should add that to the openers ASAP.

Talk about wanting to get a bargain.....Did anyone else notice the listed "benefits" that give us the "best compensation" package only apply to a small percentage of the most senior? What are they going to do when that comes out during mediation? Average pay per day of work is NOT going to look so pretty.

Overnitefr8

We actually had profit sharing before our first contract. Gave that up too a long time ago.

Gunter

That change was before management wanted our benefits package and work rules to look like the rest of the industry. Just look at what management is asking. They want a total rewrite of the CBA! They can't cherry pick which parts they want to change if they want to make a valid comparison. Pay per day, Days worked per month, total compensation, it will all come out. And not just for the top 20%, all of us.

You have to include profit sharing when you make the claim we have the "best". Since we've had it before it's not nearly as radical as their proposals.

How can they gloss over the fact that they're asking us to buy into a notional PBS project? The code for it has not been written and it would be the most ambitious PBS attempt to date. When someone finally works on it no one really knows how it will turn out.

TonyC

In fact, our last profit sharing check was held hostage to the TA vote. If we ratified the TA, we would get the profit sharing check. If we rejected it, The Company would keep it.

They took profit sharing away from the rest of the employees, too. I imagine the cost to The Company of giving us back profit sharing would be far too great in their eyes, because it would encourage other employees to demand the same, and encourage organizing. They don't want any more unions on the property, so they don't want to do anything to promote them.

Maybe they could explain their rationale to the NMB.






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boxboy

We also had COLA on the A-Plan also long gone

Gunter

Another thing about that "Best Compensation" claim.

The most important of those conditions are only if they offer it to us under company defined conditions.

We typically are not offered vacation buyback or volunteer, even when we have record profits. During most of every year, carryover is severely reduced and line averages fall considerably. Passenger carriers that we "industry lead" don't allow their pay to fall as much as our CBA does.

So we have the opportunity to be the Best some of the time if the company decides. Never all of the time. Most often none of the time.

Doesn't sound much like Best does it?

Does the guy that wrote that actually work for us or is he a hired gun? Doesn't seem to know what's actually going on.

Gunter

That's gonna have to come back too.

Overnitefr8

As Nancy Pelosi said, "We have to pass the bill (TA) so you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy."