Gunter

DL, AA and UAL want the best pilots. They telegraph that in how they work their pilot contracts and how they treat them.

Has UPS or FDX ever wanted the best? I'm not talking about some flowery management statement of goals, I mean in action. What do they do to attract the best?

In a "pilot shortage" environment fear is developing. A few are forward thinking enough to know there is great competition for those with the skills they desire.

At FDX that fear may manifest when training review boards start to get too numerous.

navigatro

I guess they want the best sex offenders.

navigatro

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UPSpilott

Come back to Alaska!! You can get the crap lines ALL the time!

Airbum

you pose a very interesting question. I struggle to come up with a list of improvements NOT fought for by the union and opposed by the company. And frankly most of the improvements barely make it to the standards of what other airlines already enjoyed.

In the past I believed that the IPA could make improvements to match the pay and working conditions of the pax airlines and FedEx. I don't believe it anymore. After the IPA contract in 1998 I realized that it would never happen. The last 17 years, while the company made BILLIONS every year, produced threats of furloughs, actual furloughs and more contract grievances then any other airline in the USA.

We won't be able to change UPS, it is what it is. A pilot here is nothing more then a contract employee. Perpetual optimism is a self defense mechanism taken by some while others embrace the suck and have expectation zero.

I myself gave up on the optimism and expect nothing. I do enjoy the wide eyed discussions of "someday" I occasionally hear but even those have lessened. I have already been told by some of the last 40 hired that they didn't like what they had gotten into here.

You had better foresight then me back in the early 90's, it wasn't going to change much and it hasn't.

FIT59

HAHA, that ain't happening! IMO, the ANC domicile was the icing on the cake for a ****ty UPS career.

Swedish Blender

That's because everything negative posted on the internet must be done by disgruntled employees and not true.

UPSpilott

You didn't like flying with chicks that looked like mountain men?

whalesurfer

Is it possible we're all different? That we deal with setbacks in different ways? Maybe there's no right or wrong way? You know, half-full versus half-empty perceptions? Do all fedex guys/gals think alike?? It's a serious question. Do they?

You said you aren't trying to denigrate ups but is that an honest statement? :-)
After all, you spent some 2 milliseconds of your career at ups and then left for fdx. Which is awesome for you, and i mean that sincerely. ..except you never truly left.
You've been lingering here and posting about ups for years, even AFTER you medical'ed out/retired.

Yeah, yeah, I know, you've stayed in touch with your friends here, etc., etc...
I just don't get it when our guys lecture your company or union on the alleged 757 B-scale, etc... I really don't get it, think we should all stick together.
Likewise I don't understand why you can't leave your ultra-short ups past behind you and leave the hating of our company to us? We're plenty good at that ourselves. ..and we're pretty vocal about our disgust for the way things are, wouldn't you say?

Obviously you can do as you please and maybe your criticism is helpful? Who knows...
Wish you the best in your retirement and a speedy recovery from your heart issues (I mean that).

Just wish there was more of an objective perspective here, you know, ideas, suggestions, something we could all use. "This is what works here and this is what's better there"... Sort of like fedelta used to post having experienced fedex and delta.

Personally I wish there was a Cargo CAPA or an organization where the best brains of FDX's ALPA, UPS' IPA and other cargo carrier's unions would get together to come up with a plan for our future.

In my admittedly biased view I believe your question should say:

Jetjok

Whalesurfer,

Seriously, thanks for the laugh. As for my "heart issues", they've been over for going on 8 years now. As far as "my heart belongs to ups", well all I can say again is, thanks for the laugh, which is a lot nicer than saying YGFBSM.