UPS: All hiring's stopped
03-25-2015, 09:58 PM
#61
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Originally Posted by Night_Hawk
The scope chairman is always asking for any info you have of a scope violation.
If you have it, submit it.
Now, not liking the scope clause of the contract is a different discussion...
If you have it, submit it.
Now, not liking the scope clause of the contract is a different discussion...
03-25-2015, 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by FrontSeat
Kind of like the report management flying form or the payload form...
Maybe the Psycho eval will come in handy at FAA medicals.
03-27-2015, 05:01 AM
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727C47,
UPS is a good place to work, like every airline it has its pro's and con's. Some guys got treated badly and rightfully complain a lot more than the vast majority. Others got burned and have decided to make it their mission in life to spew hatred and ridicule on this web-site. The pay and benefits at UPS are very good.
90% of the pilots here enjoy their jobs and aren't miserable. But some of the guys who post here, seem to act like the kids who got trophys for coming in last place. They don't seem like the type of people who handle adversity very well. You know, thw type whose Mom's probably tucked them into bed at night till they were 15 and Dad paid for their new car and college. Don't base any decision to come to UPS on what you read here.
UPS is a good place to work, like every airline it has its pro's and con's. Some guys got treated badly and rightfully complain a lot more than the vast majority. Others got burned and have decided to make it their mission in life to spew hatred and ridicule on this web-site. The pay and benefits at UPS are very good.
90% of the pilots here enjoy their jobs and aren't miserable. But some of the guys who post here, seem to act like the kids who got trophys for coming in last place. They don't seem like the type of people who handle adversity very well. You know, thw type whose Mom's probably tucked them into bed at night till they were 15 and Dad paid for their new car and college. Don't base any decision to come to UPS on what you read here.
03-27-2015, 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Vito
727C47,
UPS is a good place to work, like every airline it has its pro's and con's. Some guys got treated badly and rightfully complain a lot more than the vast majority. Others got burned and have decided to make it their mission in life to spew hatred and ridicule on this web-site. The pay and benefits at UPS are very good.
90% of the pilots here enjoy their jobs and aren't miserable. But some of the guys who post here, seem to act like the kids who got trophys for coming in last place. They don't seem like the type of people who handle adversity very well. You know, thw type whose Mom's probably tucked them into bed at night till they were 15 and Dad paid for their new car and college. Don't base any decision to come to UPS on what you read here.
UPS is a good place to work, like every airline it has its pro's and con's. Some guys got treated badly and rightfully complain a lot more than the vast majority. Others got burned and have decided to make it their mission in life to spew hatred and ridicule on this web-site. The pay and benefits at UPS are very good.
90% of the pilots here enjoy their jobs and aren't miserable. But some of the guys who post here, seem to act like the kids who got trophys for coming in last place. They don't seem like the type of people who handle adversity very well. You know, thw type whose Mom's probably tucked them into bed at night till they were 15 and Dad paid for their new car and college. Don't base any decision to come to UPS on what you read here.
03-27-2015, 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Vito
UPS is a good place to work, like every airline it has its pro's and con's. Some guys got treated badly and rightfully complain a lot more than the vast majority. Others got burned and have decided to make it their mission in life to spew hatred and ridicule on this web-site. The pay and benefits at UPS are very good.
90% of the pilots here enjoy their jobs and aren't miserable. But some of the guys who post here, seem to act like the kids who got trophys for coming in last place. They don't seem like the type of people who handle adversity very well. You know, thw type whose Mom's probably tucked them into bed at night till they were 15 and Dad paid for their new car and college. Don't base any decision to come to UPS on what you read here.
90% of the pilots here enjoy their jobs and aren't miserable. But some of the guys who post here, seem to act like the kids who got trophys for coming in last place. They don't seem like the type of people who handle adversity very well. You know, thw type whose Mom's probably tucked them into bed at night till they were 15 and Dad paid for their new car and college. Don't base any decision to come to UPS on what you read here.
03-27-2015, 10:41 AM
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Saying someone doesn't handle adversity well is a pretty broad stroke just because people complain.
In all honesty, your career at UPS being an early 95 hire is much different than those hired 06-07. How long did it take you to make captain? Not when you chose to go, but when you could first hold it or bypass. Probably not the 8-9 years those guys have been sitting reserve in ANC or flying base trips in other domiciles. It will take those guys about 18-19 years to upgrade to the bottom spot, probably in ANC. In your 20 years you're about 65% up and have been a captain a while.
Not on this board, but I have seen junior pilots point things out that other companies have in their contracts that we should want. The only answer most of them hear is why don't you go there since it's so great. The simple truth is a lot of us have seen the other side and want to try and improve UPS but all we get in return is that we complain.
Sure guys complain. Some lost their house, spouse, went bankrupt, and one poor soul chose a permanent solution. I suspect they have faced more adversity than most including you.
Nothing personal, I don't hold any ill will toward anyone at any airline who had a good ride. But you should not talk down to those who have had the opposite.
In all honesty, your career at UPS being an early 95 hire is much different than those hired 06-07. How long did it take you to make captain? Not when you chose to go, but when you could first hold it or bypass. Probably not the 8-9 years those guys have been sitting reserve in ANC or flying base trips in other domiciles. It will take those guys about 18-19 years to upgrade to the bottom spot, probably in ANC. In your 20 years you're about 65% up and have been a captain a while.
Not on this board, but I have seen junior pilots point things out that other companies have in their contracts that we should want. The only answer most of them hear is why don't you go there since it's so great. The simple truth is a lot of us have seen the other side and want to try and improve UPS but all we get in return is that we complain.
Sure guys complain. Some lost their house, spouse, went bankrupt, and one poor soul chose a permanent solution. I suspect they have faced more adversity than most including you.
Nothing personal, I don't hold any ill will toward anyone at any airline who had a good ride. But you should not talk down to those who have had the opposite.
03-27-2015, 11:05 AM
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Swedish Blender,
Your 95% spot on, I was an early 95 hire, bid the first available upgrade to Capt and that occurred exacting 10 years later. If I were a 94 hire it would have been much faster, like 5-6 years. You have to remember too that UPS was nobody's first choice in 95. The pay sucked, top rate was $144/hr vice over $200 plus at the majors. Only choice I had was here or United and Southwest and UPS called first. nobody else was hiring and most majors had a ton of furloughs on the street, like American, Delta and USAir. I stayed here mainly because the first day of Indoc the chief pilot Ken Masse told us "By next year UPS pilots will be the highest paid pilots in the US!" That statement coupled with the Internet boom in shipping along with the fact that my personal adversity made me value stability more than pay at the time. My parents divorced when I was 17, Dad went bankrupt, left family penniless and in massive debt, fled to Florida, and I became the breadwinner at 17. Try paying New Jersey property taxes making pizza! My adversity lasted 7 years to include living at my grandparents house because I couldn't afford a dorm at college and working 40 hrs a week changing tires on the sidewalk on Fordham road in the Bronx to pay for tuition. So I'm happy I got this job because the stability of UPS is very important to me after my "adversity". Like I said in prior posts the guys who were furloughed deserve to complain, but they got recalled and they're walking back into a well paying job with great MEdical benefits etc. when I left the active duty in 1993, the AIr Force discovered wing cracks in the C-141 and grounded the fleet for awhile. I had a kid on the way Zero medical insurance owned 2 houses, because I was upside down on my first one and couldn't sell it and the renters were leaving. I ended up driving a street sweeper truck to pay for the medical insurance only, no pay and tried to eek out any pay at the reserves till they fixed the 141's. I had no back- up from Mom or Dad. So forgive me if I can't shed too many tears for our self anointed martyred whiners. I have little sympathy for whining because some guy got furloughed ( like it never happened to anyone else) and he's going to be an F/O longer than they told him he'd be at Embry Riddle. Enough is enough. Life can be a whole lot worse. Let it go, fly your trips and go home, bang the wife have fun with the kids and friends. Really. Just stop the incessant whining and bad- mouthing.
Not directed at you Sweedish Blender. BTW I do have a lot of sympathy for the crap they went through, I'd be ****ed too for a month or so, not years later. Things will get better, life is not fair. I was ****ed when I get hired here and my buds were at Delta because they were a year older, but things worked out. They'll work out too for UPSPilot and Elato Direct as well, you'll see. Hope to fly with you one day
Your 95% spot on, I was an early 95 hire, bid the first available upgrade to Capt and that occurred exacting 10 years later. If I were a 94 hire it would have been much faster, like 5-6 years. You have to remember too that UPS was nobody's first choice in 95. The pay sucked, top rate was $144/hr vice over $200 plus at the majors. Only choice I had was here or United and Southwest and UPS called first. nobody else was hiring and most majors had a ton of furloughs on the street, like American, Delta and USAir. I stayed here mainly because the first day of Indoc the chief pilot Ken Masse told us "By next year UPS pilots will be the highest paid pilots in the US!" That statement coupled with the Internet boom in shipping along with the fact that my personal adversity made me value stability more than pay at the time. My parents divorced when I was 17, Dad went bankrupt, left family penniless and in massive debt, fled to Florida, and I became the breadwinner at 17. Try paying New Jersey property taxes making pizza! My adversity lasted 7 years to include living at my grandparents house because I couldn't afford a dorm at college and working 40 hrs a week changing tires on the sidewalk on Fordham road in the Bronx to pay for tuition. So I'm happy I got this job because the stability of UPS is very important to me after my "adversity". Like I said in prior posts the guys who were furloughed deserve to complain, but they got recalled and they're walking back into a well paying job with great MEdical benefits etc. when I left the active duty in 1993, the AIr Force discovered wing cracks in the C-141 and grounded the fleet for awhile. I had a kid on the way Zero medical insurance owned 2 houses, because I was upside down on my first one and couldn't sell it and the renters were leaving. I ended up driving a street sweeper truck to pay for the medical insurance only, no pay and tried to eek out any pay at the reserves till they fixed the 141's. I had no back- up from Mom or Dad. So forgive me if I can't shed too many tears for our self anointed martyred whiners. I have little sympathy for whining because some guy got furloughed ( like it never happened to anyone else) and he's going to be an F/O longer than they told him he'd be at Embry Riddle. Enough is enough. Life can be a whole lot worse. Let it go, fly your trips and go home, bang the wife have fun with the kids and friends. Really. Just stop the incessant whining and bad- mouthing.
Not directed at you Sweedish Blender. BTW I do have a lot of sympathy for the crap they went through, I'd be ****ed too for a month or so, not years later. Things will get better, life is not fair. I was ****ed when I get hired here and my buds were at Delta because they were a year older, but things worked out. They'll work out too for UPSPilot and Elato Direct as well, you'll see. Hope to fly with you one day
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