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Old 02-23-2007, 11:10 AM
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I have flown with OR numerous times over the past few years. Usually with a Capt. getting a line check or quality ride or something of that nature. He was a middle of the road standards check airmen (not a hard arse but also not a slouch, He is no GC). I have flown with him once when he was the operating capt. He was a good crewmember to hang out with for dinner, not sure if that gives any insight as to what kind of chief pilot he will be. He is not a jack lewis clone but they seem to be very similiar in personality.
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Old 02-23-2007, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by MD11Fr8Dog View Post

From Jack's "First Officer Missive", dated 10Oct07:

"One last thought……if you could hold Memphis wide-body Captain for more than two years, haven't bid a Captain seat, and don't want to, you're part of the problem….. hang up your stripes. It's not a part-time job…we can't use part-time help. "

I interpret it differently. But I don't have the advantage of 60+ yrs of wisdom!


Maybe Jack was applying this part of the "Captain Diatribe", dated 04 Oct 06:
"If you don't like responsibility, downbid. If you're afraid of the
aircraft you're flying, bid off."
Or maybe he was feeling guilty:
"If this sounds like I'm indicting all Captains, I am to a degree."
You'll recall this jewel:
"We have a Captain crewmember allegedly busted for drug use in all the papers."
Of course, there's the convict first, conduct the trial later aspect of this charge (a common theme with other incidents, by the way), but the fact that the crewmember in question was actually a First Officer causes one to wonder about the accuracy of other details in the letter.


But, my personal favorite line from that letter:
"Do we always suck?"










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Old 02-23-2007, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Jetjok View Post
"Haven't bid a Captain seat". I think what he's saying is that if you're senior enough to be able to hold wide-body captain, but are still an f/o, then, in his opinion, you're part of the problem. That would suggest, at least to me, that he is understanding of guys who don't want to bid 727 captain and be at the bottom of the list. However, once they can hold wide-body captain, they will be senior enough (again in his opinion) to hold a narrow-body captain slot at some "reasonable" percentage. Again, that's my interpretation, but I'm sticking with it. It has nothing to do with 60+ years of wisdom (or lack thereof, as my wife can attest to), only my understanding of the english language.

The reality is, ALPA fought many battles to have a seniority based system. Monthly schedules, Recurrent Training Dates, Vacation bidding....all driven by the a seniority based system. I can understand that the company would want to have the MOST experienced pilots pipelined to the W/B left seat, but our system is what it is. If somebody camps out because their relative seniority would be better or the flying is what they prefer, then that is totally their perogative. They should not be viewed as "a problem". If we are TRULY hiring the "best of the best" then it shouldn't really matter, right?
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Old 02-23-2007, 05:16 PM
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Wow. Jealous?
Although I think you hit the nail on the head please let me clarify. 3 PC's a year, a trip to the sim every 3 months for landing currency, and very little flight time, give it a break. Throw in lots of engineering, meetings, and paperwork at this early stage and you know the job, it Aint what you think. So, if you're a crappy under achieving bottom feeder pilot and a pencil neck geek like me come on down !!!

Since Orlando has left, the interviews for the Standards Lead are about to begin. So any of you guys throwing spears that want to be part of the "757 Flying Club" throw your hat into the ring.

My opinion about OR is just that, My opinion. You will have to make up your own opinion once you get to know him or evaluate his operation as SCP, something none of us have seen. Regardless of how any of us feel about OR right now, he deserves a chance to prove himself. Once again in my opinion he has been a great boss and I thank him for giving me the opportunity I have.(smack smack) This post requested information about OR, many have posted their opinions, and the select few WHO ALWAYS view the glass as half empty have proven their character as usual. For those of you with all the negative vibes, keep looking for that scrap of dirt, and condesending information your crave.

Sorry for the lengthy post, I must run so I can find out who's A$$ I have to kiss, and who's coat tail I will be riding in the future.

Signed: Clueless FedEx Neophite, 757 Sherpa, a.k.a. CB
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Old 02-23-2007, 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Coffee ***** View Post
Although I think you hit the nail on the head please let me clarify. 3 PC's a year, a trip to the sim every 3 months for landing currency, and very little flight time, give it a break. Throw in lots of engineering, meetings, and paperwork at this early stage and you know the job, it Aint what you think. So, if you're a crappy under achieving bottom feeder pilot and a pencil neck geek like me come on down !!!

Since Orlando has left, the interviews for the Standards Lead are about to begin. So any of you guys throwing spears that want to be part of the "757 Flying Club" throw your hat into the ring.

My opinion about OR is just that, My opinion. You will have to make up your own opinion once you get to know him or evaluate his operation as SCP, something none of us have seen. Regardless of how any of us feel about OR right now, he deserves a chance to prove himself. Once again in my opinion he has been a great boss and I thank him for giving me the opportunity I have.(smack smack) This post requested information about OR, many have posted their opinions, and the select few WHO ALWAYS view the glass as half empty have proven their character as usual. For those of you with all the negative vibes, keep looking for that scrap of dirt, and condesending information your crave.

Sorry for the lengthy post, I must run so I can find out who's A$$ I have to kiss, and who's coat tail I will be riding in the future.

Signed: Clueless FedEx Neophite, 757 Sherpa, a.k.a. CB
Being another one who doesn't know OR from Adam, I appreciate your input and anyone else's, for that matter, that knows or has flown with the guy.

As far as a lack of line time, you must understand that the company culture dictates that we line doggies go out and make the magic happen and then have to play 'you bet your ticket' with someone who may never have flown into the 'sim' airport where we're doing approaches. I can tell you that my INTL LOFTS in the 11 were not very 'real world' in preparing for actual INTL line experience. This, in turn, presents the following question that floats in some of our heads: If it takes me an hour and a half to get from curbside to airplane (like it did last week) in Mumbai and we subsequently take a delay, is the CP going to understand, or will he say "What's a Mumbai?" Not a great example but merely an illustration of something that may be going through the heads of some line guys.

That being said, keep the info coming and if you need my measurements for the left seat of that 75 let me know.
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Old 02-24-2007, 12:10 AM
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Actually, I have to echo both CB and phlyer's posts.

I agree with CB -- there are just some dudes (and I'm sure, dudettes) who just love to b*tch about something/someone they have no idea about. Give the guy a chance and then some -- it's a tough job being the SCP. At least this guy sounds reasonable and besides, the majority of people that know him have had favorable comments on this venue.

HOWEVER.......

I have to agree with phlyer too. He is EXACTLY right about the 1.5hr delay from curbside to jet in the "land of not quite right." And if you've never been there, done that, and gotten the t-shirt you have no idea. That was the rub earlier on JL flying to/from MEM-ORF for yrs and yrs before moving to the MD. I think his eyes were opened when he saw what goes on in the system half a world away where El Capitan sometimes has no guidance and has to make a critical decision in minimal time.
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Old 02-24-2007, 03:39 AM
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Quite frankly, I worry sometimes about management's experience with some of the hairier domestic trips too.

After TLH there were some incredible things said by upper management about "compartmentalizing fatigue."

At the time, I was stuck in an endless cycle of uber-optimized crap trips on the lower end of the Boeing list. I thought, has this dude ever dutied in at 8pm to go Tucson - Long Beach - Oakland - Reno - Oakland (with a 3:55 sit at the airport the first time you get to Oakland)?

I hear stories about the good ol' days, the pure lines and the weekend layovers. Maybe that's where this perspective came from - "compartmentalizing fatigue."

I think that it is important for management pilots to do more than a Stansted turn once a month. They need to find the great big ugly optimized trips - the 3 leg out and backs, for instance - and give them a try too.....
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Old 02-24-2007, 04:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Magenta Line View Post
Actually, I have to echo both CB and phlyer's posts.

I agree with CB -- there are just some dudes (and I'm sure, dudettes) who just love to b*tch about something/someone they have no idea about. Give the guy a chance and then some -- it's a tough job being the SCP. At least this guy sounds reasonable and besides, the majority of people that know him have had favorable comments on this venue.

HOWEVER.......

I have to agree with phlyer too. He is EXACTLY right about the 1.5hr delay from curbside to jet in the "land of not quite right." And if you've never been there, done that, and gotten the t-shirt you have no idea.
That was the rub earlier on JL flying to/from MEM-ORF for yrs and yrs before moving to the MD. I think his eyes were opened when he saw what goes on in the system half a world away where El Capitan sometimes has no guidance and has to make a critical decision in minimal time.
I dont knwo JL's entire flying history, but to say he only flew mem-orf for years is less than accurate. I flew with JL many times on the 727 into Moscow. He did most of the Captain route checks into there. I think he had a clear picture inlt ops potholes. the russians covered about everything with bad english, bad ATC, bad wx, marginal/unreliable navaids. After the 727 left europe (? 99) he might of flown mostly ORF. But he knew his ****e.
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