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Old 10-03-2018, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by aviatorhi View Post
The CBA is scope protected and the pay rates are protected as well in event of merger/acquisition. It will be a few years at least before the whipsaw starts to have an effect. For the time being our current management structure will remain in place and the company will continue to be run out of Tulsa.

Apart from the union / CBA items this is subject to change because 48 hours ago nobody knew we were for sale.

Thanks! Nice factual post..most appreciated. So if I got the job sounds like I'd have till the end of the current CBA before it got ugly, hypothetically at least.
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Old 10-03-2018, 06:20 PM
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I dunno. I kinda prefer the "I know you are, but what am I, nanny nanny boo boo" stuff to this logical, serious, actual debate crap.
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Old 10-03-2018, 06:26 PM
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Anyone have any hard info on what actual impact this will have on the current Omni CBA?

I was invited to interview there and I have to wonder now if Omni will get drawn into the ATSG whipsaw mess. Though Omni is pax only so not sure how'd that play out.
To be honest, no one on this forum or within current crew company ranks knows exactly what this sale entails or precisely how it will play out. Everyone is just speculating at this point. As previous poster suggested, the best thing to do is to wait for a little while and see where this is headed. There are just too many possible outcomes at this point, some good and some bad. In theory, crews should be protected with the current CBA scopes and pay scales, but once lawyers get involved who knows. Good luck
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I dunno. I kinda prefer the "I know you are, but what am I, nanny nanny boo boo" stuff to this logical, serious, actual debate crap.

That would certainly be more "APC" like...


I dunno...I don't have the choice to make until if/when I'm offered job but it won't be an easy one to make now with all this goin on. I'm actually wondering if the hiring will stop for a while anyway. I wouldn't be surprised a bit if all the interview invites get cancelled.
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Old 10-03-2018, 06:41 PM
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You guys all realize that all the ATSG executives are reading these threads to gauge what you all are thinking. They will all deny it but they all do it. I have seen the back stage of one or two of these forums and the ip addresses are always the same. Your best strategy is to not post anything at all and if you do make it as disinformative as possible. Acknowledge nothing, deny everything, make counter accusations!
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Old 10-03-2018, 09:05 PM
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I don't think these guys will put us out of business. It doesn't make sense. We are very good at what we do and we are very profitable. They have kept ABX flying and they know how to "own" an airline. Will this make the next contract more difficult?
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You guys all realize that all the ATSG executives are reading these threads to gauge what you all are thinking. They will all deny it but they all do it. I have seen the back stage of one or two of these forums and the ip addresses are always the same. Your best strategy is to not post anything at all and if you do make it as disinformative as possible. Acknowledge nothing, deny everything, make counter accusations!
Were you at one time a student of the immortal Dave Black?
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Were you at one time a student of the immortal Dave Black?
Can’t recall having the pleasure.
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Old 10-04-2018, 05:44 AM
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Acknowledge nothing, deny everything, make counter accusations! This was memorized by everyone that he taught the 727 Jurassic Jet. Great phrase for aviation.
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Old 10-04-2018, 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by RezRunner View Post
I don't think these guys will put us out of business. It doesn't make sense. We are very good at what we do and we are very profitable. They have kept ABX flying and they know how to "own" an airline. Will this make the next contract more difficult?
The one main thing to remember is that someone else, not OAI management in TUL, calls the shots now and controls the purse strings. No matter what you may think personally about Omni's future viability (I agree with your sentiments), the new management could decide otherwise. An acquisition can lead to many things---merger, conversion to cargo from passenger, downsizing, fleet make-over and even receivership. There's just no way to tell, and essentially all OAI pilots are along for the ride.

I see that Abex is IBT1221, but ATI is Alpa. Both of those companies now pay less than OAI; a future CBA could be at issue with any disparities between wholly-owned subsidiaries.
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