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Old 10-15-2024 | 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
no, they're trying to start narrowbody cargo in A321's.
LMFAO - what on earth for? Probably because ATSG told them to and ATSG likes leasing planes out to people who will fly scraps with them.

Originally Posted by Cujo665
within the past 10 months:
Two 17 year+ APD's left to take jobs at regionals
a very good chief pilot left within a week or two of the new CEO coming in
a new assistant chief pilot transplant from a bottom feeder did a hatchet job on director of training and took his job. Has zero idea how to run a training department and check airmen and instructors started bailing left and right... in many cases they were career 12+ year Omni guys.
a new in-flight manager from - of all places - failed carrier Swift.
Oh noooo... you had a battle between two "boys clubs" - I'm sure that's the first time in aviation that has happened... the good news is this never really affects the airline, just the egos involved.

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new CEO ensuring nobody in any management position is smarter than him as a means to protect his job which he's way under suited for.
they've been losing flying ever since the former CEO retired (retired 4 star guy) that empowered people to go do their jobs instead of micromanaging.
Your "CEO" gets weekly marching orders from Wilmington - he's more of a caretaker than a CEO; the "problem" is ATSGs lack of desire or ambition (maybe both, who knows) to round it's airlines out into individually viable operations... the airlines are an extension of the leasing business.

Originally Posted by Cujo665
the ATSG method of fixing MEL's at the end of the repair limit as opposed to how Omni used to fix things right away was definitely noticed by the troops, and word eventually filters back when multiple seats recline are broke, lavs on 10 hour flights are MEL'd, and other stuff that in the past would have been fixed right away.
That's not the ATSG way - the ATSG way is to have a "fit" if the line on the graph doesn't go up year over year which leads to the people at the receiving end of the "fit" to start going into drastic money saving mode for fear of experiencing another fit or losing their own jobs - you're seeing a symptom, not a cause. That's why I mentioned better management at all levels.


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Oh, this all happened before they lost sentinel. The resulting way overstaffing right now will be used against them at the bargaining table. The place is 100% coming apart at the seams. Put another way, guys are leaving to accept street captain jobs at regionals rather than stay here. Others were getting on at AA/DL/UA/FX. Nobody is really planning Omni as a career anymore except the guys too old to start over.

yeah, it's a dumpster fire.
Your union is probably the biggest reason you'll be experiencing drastically lower pay for a while (were you guys getting "high on your own supply" thinking everybody was half way out the door and the company would crack any minute while the truth was more bodies were being added every month?), the second biggest (and a razor's width away) is the unimaginative thinking the company has put into it's market position - albeit this is driven by the handicap of ATSG wanting to "cut costs at all costs" (colloquially saying that - a more honest statement is they just think of airlines as financial instruments to achieve their investment goals vs. their core businesses) rather than any single individual. Omni isn't special now and never was special before - it's just another ACMI pax operator who happened to survive the "culling" in the late 2000s. It'll probably survive the next one - but what you really need to start thinking is "in what form?" will it still be worthy of being called "International", or does ILM have plans to supplant it's domestic business at the expense of traditionally lucrative international flying... all much more important questions to be asking than worrying about who the director of training is - who if able to tank the entire airline from his position at a desk next to a clasroom; means you've have intractable structural problems for the last 30 years. Honestly crying about how "change is happening and I don't like it" is not a winning strategy for an airline or a pilot group - get with the times or the times will get on (without you).

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Old 10-15-2024 | 11:33 AM
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So the bottom line is one government program went away because the government no longer needs it and they're trying to replace that flying with other government flying? And this is why the place is falling apart? Omni (by extension of ATSGs actions) became poorly positioned in the market and caught in a cycle of inability to reinvest in it's products (fear of growth, fear of any outlay beyond core maintenance, an overriding need to line the pockets of investors to keep the poor poor in the name of freedumbz - it's the ATSG way) - that can be overcome with time and more competent management (at all levels)... whether Omni will or won't remains to be seen. But your airline is not going to be having a "going out of business" sale because it lost one or two flights a week.
Over the years as I have heard, that program was the "cash cow" of Omni. They claimed each flight brought in so much revenue that if all other flying would go away, the place would continue to operate normally. If you ask me, I believe it brought in a great amaohnt of revenue, but not that much. Before the fallout of a certain region in the Middle East a few years back, the program was running 3 flights a week, with 3 airplanes, one standby in the states and one standby in EU. Since that all crumbled, the program has been down to 1 flight a week and one backup tail. So with that being said, I can't imagine that program, with 1-3 airplanes bringing in so much revenue that it craps on the other eight/nine 767s and three 777s, before & after the reduction of flying in 2021.

Either way, Omni will need to find business elsewhere to make up for the slack now that the program is going away. I don't see this wiping the place out completely but it's certainly not something to be jumping up and down about. It certainly has the capability of changing the structure of the airline as a whole, as the supposed "relying-revenues" are not coming into Tulsa. I do stand corrected, but the revenues from the program that started in 2014 may have played big role for the first CBA shortly after, in 2018.

This will unfortunately play a big role at the bargaining table. Any momentum that there may have been, is probably all gone now. The place will probably be over staffed for a while, with who knows, the possibility of unpaid leaves/furloughs being mentioned, as we have seen several times over the years. It will be an interesting 6-12 months coming up but I can't imagine interesting in a good way.
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Old 10-15-2024 | 11:43 AM
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That's not an ATSG thing. That's an Omni thing, or whoever your contract maintenance is.

We certainly have our share of MEL items. They get fixed, even at outstations, if they have the time and the parts to do it. Our seats recline. One of the Kalitta tails we got, I remember jumpseating on several times when Kalitta was operating it. The forward observer's seat didn't recline. By the time it was online with us, it reclined. Some time ago, the company inexplicably dispatched a -300 with a lav MEL to Chicago, and it was then supposed to continue on to East Midlands & Cologne. That situation got rectified right quick. No crew was going to take that even six hours across the Atlantic. Why are Omni crews accepting lav MELs on 10-hour flights? The company will do whatever you let them do. Sometimes, you just gotta put your foot down and say no - this is not acceptable.
probably because we have 6-8 lavs on board....

we aren't talking cockpit jumpseats... we're talking the passenger seats... you do know Omni is all passenger right?
and no, the MEL issue is vastly different after ATSG bought Omni. I'm sorry you guys have dealt with poor maintenance for so long that us seems fine to you.
omni was never like this.
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Old 10-15-2024 | 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by 4dalulz
LMFAO - what on earth for? Probably because ATSG told them to and ATSG likes leasing planes out to people who will fly scraps with them.



Oh noooo... you had a battle between two "boys clubs" - I'm sure that's the first time in aviation that has happened... the good news is this never really affects the airline, just the egos involved.



Your "CEO" gets weekly marching orders from Wilmington - he's more of a caretaker than a CEO; the "problem" is ATSGs lack of desire or ambition (maybe both, who knows) to round it's airlines out into individually viable operations... the airlines are an extension of the leasing business.



That's not the ATSG way - the ATSG way is to have a "fit" if the line on the graph doesn't go up year over year which leads to the people at the receiving end of the "fit" to start going into drastic money saving mode for fear of experiencing another fit or losing their own jobs - you're seeing a symptom, not a cause. That's why I mentioned better management at all levels.




Your union is probably the biggest reason you'll be experiencing drastically lower pay for a while (were you guys getting "high on your own supply" thinking everybody was half way out the door and the company would crack any minute while the truth was more bodies were being added every month?), the second biggest (and a razor's width away) is the unimaginative thinking the company has put into it's market position - albeit this is driven by the handicap of ATSG wanting to "cut costs at all costs" (colloquially saying that - a more honest statement is they just think of airlines as financial instruments to achieve their investment goals vs. their core businesses) rather than any single individual. Omni isn't special now and never was special before - it's just another ACMI pax operator who happened to survive the "culling" in the late 2000s. It'll probably survive the next one - but what you really need to start thinking is "in what form?" will it still be worthy of being called "International", or does ILM have plans to supplant it's domestic business at the expense of traditionally lucrative international flying... all much more important questions to be asking than worrying about who the director of training is - who if able to tank the entire airline from his position at a desk next to a clasroom; means you've have intractable structural problems for the last 30 years. Honestly crying about how "change is happening and I don't like it" is not a winning strategy for an airline or a pilot group - get with the times or the times will get on (without you).

clearly you never worked here, especially not before ATSG bought it.
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Old 10-15-2024 | 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
clearly you never worked here, especially not before ATSG bought it.
Don't need to work there to have a fairly good picture of what's going on - I was here (APC not the airline) several years ago telling you Omni was poorly positioned while you were defending it to the death. Topping it off with your hysterical comment about "fleet growth" of literally one airplane.

But the absolute clincher of how out of touch you are is...

Originally Posted by Cujo665
did a hatchet job on director of training and took his job. Has zero idea how to run a training department and check airmen and instructors started bailing left and right... in many cases they were career 12+ year Omni guys
Yes, oh yes, because airlines are supposed to be some kind of "47 Ronin" type clans of unprecedented honor codes and not; well, businesses which try to react to market conditions and meet customer demands in order to sustain and expand/adjust their operations (sometimes well, sometimes not so well). In any case, a quick Linkedin search reveals who this person is and, based on the way you describe them, the only thing I will say is we have a fairly good idea of whose ego got affected.

The area we agree on is that in it's current form Omni is not a place to stay if you have a better lifestyle or income opportunity elsewhere; it is also not a place to be "going to" unless you have few other choices... you are most certainly not in an "all rats off the ship" moment.

Anyway - I'll let you have the last word of wisdom since you're dead set on maintaining your honor.
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Old 10-15-2024 | 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
no, they're trying to start narrowbody cargo in A321's.
Who is the customer?
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Old 10-16-2024 | 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Reactivity
Who is the customer?
Probably Amazon or DHL most likely.
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Old 10-17-2024 | 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by 4dalulz
Don't need to work there to have a fairly good picture of what's going on - I was here (APC not the airline) several years ago telling you Omni was poorly positioned while you were defending it to the death. Topping it off with your hysterical comment about "fleet growth" of literally one airplane.

But the absolute clincher of how out of touch you are is...



Yes, oh yes, because airlines are supposed to be some kind of "47 Ronin" type clans of unprecedented honor codes and not; well, businesses which try to react to market conditions and meet customer demands in order to sustain and expand/adjust their operations (sometimes well, sometimes not so well). In any case, a quick Linkedin search reveals who this person is and, based on the way you describe them, the only thing I will say is we have a fairly good idea of whose ego got affected.

The area we agree on is that in it's current form Omni is not a place to stay if you have a better lifestyle or income opportunity elsewhere; it is also not a place to be "going to" unless you have few other choices... you are most certainly not in an "all rats off the ship" moment.

Anyway - I'll let you have the last word of wisdom since you're dead set on maintaining your honor.
it's actually funny how many phone calls and texts I've gotten from guys telling me I'm spot on and that your some type of troll from another ATSG company that really doesn't know how Omni was compared to what it's become. I stand by my posts, and will simply say you don't know what you're talking about.
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Old 10-28-2024 | 12:39 PM
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Old 10-29-2024 | 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
probably becau152 09.06se we have 6-8 lavs on board....

we aren't talking cockpit jumpseats... we're talking the passenger seats... you do know Omni is all passenger right?
and no, the MEL issue is vastly different after ATSG bought Omni. I'm sorry you guys have dealt with poor maintenance for so long that us seems fine to you.
omni was never like this.
"dealt with poor maintenance"...yet the highest ontime percentage of all the DHL and Amazon
carriers. Get some real facts before you spew more garabge.
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