Pirate99

Lets do a little math.
OAI top captain salary $298.00 an hour
Monthly guaranteed 64 Hours
Total $229,000

250k ? He either volunteered to work on his days off, or as it frequently happens, got held out involuntarily during his days off.

Pilot4000

Seems light to me, especially if you have to work OT to get that much.

Pirate99

Light indeed. And that is top wide body rate, mind you. Most captains make quite a bit less.

Maybe he made the post in shame.

Overlander

ATSG just has no idea that they’re killing their golden goose-there’s this idea in modern capitalist to the core America that employees are inherently selfish and the only people that matter are rich shareholders and upper management. Their actions make sense when it’s viewed through the scope of milking every penny out AND punishing those lowly employees who are already asking for too much. They also genuinely don’t trust anyone who doesn’t sit on a board of directors or high level shareholders.

Truly reputable long term companies treat their employees well across the board because they recognize that their value actually comes from those that operate the company they’re pulling their millions-of-dollars in compensation packages from. And shareholders should realize that the stronger the baseline of a company is the better their investment returns over time. So far they don’t here, maybe something will change. At least we have a solid union and both flight attendants and pilots showed their commitment with 100% strike votes.

The core employees and crew at Omni for the most part want to build and be a part of a company they’re proud of. I came here for the people. You can’t treat high class pilots, flight attendants, mechanics, and so on like dirt in comparison to our competitors and expect to have OAI continue to generate the profit levels it did in the past because people will (as we see now) leave for greener pastures. It’s still a good place to work right now but falling behind every day. It used to be the best in the industry. Make it the best again and see what happens.

Cujo665

RJ Captains are making more than that; and if you live in base the QOL isn't bad. I would not commute for a regional; worst possible QOL imanginable.

My union speaks for me; but anything less than 30% won't pass a pilot vote. That would put top step CA just at $300k. Even then we are so far behind that it may take closer to 40% to get 50%+1 to catch up to the bottom of the legacy-LCC scales. A first year 737 CA at any of the big three is $281k. Big changes are needed in other areas as well. The 100% strike vote should have been clear enough that our union speaks for us. Nobody here is expecting to match the legacy rates or MMG, but it should be on the same playing field.... we're still out on the most distant parking lot.

The other issue I'm starting to see, and ATSG isn't, is the quality of pilot we're able to hire. Anybody with the time is going to LCC-Direct Entry RJ Captain, or to a legacy. That leaves us the ones that actually want to fly troops, and the odd ones.... we used to hire folks with real experience; now we hire RJ FO's and people who have never sat the left seat in 121. The only thing keeping planes out of the dirt is the quality of our training department and line captains. That barrier is being pushed to the breaking point. Oh, and ATSG maintenance sucks. Never seen so many MEL stickers on our planes. An MEL used to be open until the next stop, or at worst the next mantenance base. Now, if it says 10 days, it stays open 9.5 days; then gets an extension.

So much for the ATSG BS of Omni is exceptionally profitable and we aren't going to mess with a good thing. They do not understand the value of the intangible things. Having troops riding on planes with broken lav's, broken seat backs, inadequate catering, constant return to gates, inflight engine shutdowns, all eventually filters back to command. We didn't used to be that way, and were a preferred vendor.

Deezy66

#ThanksATSG.

Ruined a perfectly good airline so they can cut holes in airplanes.

4dalulz

So you're saying Stan treated you well and never underpaid anybody at Omni?

Contracts are hard - rose colored glasses are easy.

Bungalow

It wasn’t perfect and Stan wasn’t without faults.

But it was orders of magnitude better than under the ATSG buffoon‘s tent.

RezRunner

^^^^^ This a 100x's over. Name one company at the top of any performance list that DOESN'T take care of their people. It seems like most leadership teams out there have figured this out in this day and age. Of course there's some not in the top tier that are still dragging behind, stuck in some old model of thinking. Shallow planning without foresight, wanting to squeez every ounce of juice today, and just today, worry about tomorrow, tomorrow. I honsestly can't imagine sitting at a conference table with any reputable company and talking about how we can "get more out of these grunts while giving them less". That just sounds so removed from reality, or the right thing to do that it's completely off my radar.

I think it's going to bite them hard and its coming fast. We can't get pilots to class let alone get them to graduate, and the ones already here are fed up. Even the pilots who have historically been hard workers with the ol' "git er done" attitude are looking and sounding worn to the bone. It's not sustainable. There are way too many good people here that have one foot out the door.

The red flags are everywhere from scheduling and travel, to Mx and moral. Every one of those items is a huge conversation in itself. It's a trainwreck right now.

JohnBurke

Rumor is that few who are scheduled to show up for a class, actually show up, so class sizes are small. Are you saying that of those who do show up, some aren't able to pass the training? Is this a regular thing?

Would you say that's due to the nature of the applicants they're hiring, or due to the training?