Omni Air
03-17-2024, 04:39 PM
#4261
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Omni Air Transport is a Part 135 charter company out of Tulsa: https://flyomni.com
Omni Air International is a Part 121 airline out of Tulsa: https://www.oai.aero
Omni Air Transport operates Learjets, while Omni Airi International operates 767's and 777's (and apparently, eventually A321's).
If they look similar, it's due to their common origin and original ownership (no longer the case). Omni Air International (OAI) is owned by parent company ATSG (which owns ATI, ABX, as well as aircraft leasing, maintenance, logistics, etc). OAI does military charter and supplemental flying, throiugh scheduled flag operations abroad for varius international airlines; they've been around a while; long enough that fathers who deployed on board Omni aircraft later saw their sons deploy on Omni airplanes. My son, too, and I used to park next to them all over the planet, including garden spots like Afghanistan, when it was a thing.
OAI is 121, with the same limitations regarding age as other 121 operations. OAI operates similarly to other ACMI carriers such as Atlas and Kalitta, but does passengers, rather than all-cargo.
The Learjet operation uses Lear 40's, 45's, a 60, and 75's.
Omni Air International is a Part 121 airline out of Tulsa: https://www.oai.aero
Omni Air Transport operates Learjets, while Omni Airi International operates 767's and 777's (and apparently, eventually A321's).
If they look similar, it's due to their common origin and original ownership (no longer the case). Omni Air International (OAI) is owned by parent company ATSG (which owns ATI, ABX, as well as aircraft leasing, maintenance, logistics, etc). OAI does military charter and supplemental flying, throiugh scheduled flag operations abroad for varius international airlines; they've been around a while; long enough that fathers who deployed on board Omni aircraft later saw their sons deploy on Omni airplanes. My son, too, and I used to park next to them all over the planet, including garden spots like Afghanistan, when it was a thing.
OAI is 121, with the same limitations regarding age as other 121 operations. OAI operates similarly to other ACMI carriers such as Atlas and Kalitta, but does passengers, rather than all-cargo.
The Learjet operation uses Lear 40's, 45's, a 60, and 75's.
03-18-2024, 07:33 AM
#4263
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Joined APC: Feb 2014
Position: Semi-Retired...
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Originally Posted by Cavflyer
I get it why you guys want to tell a story about the downfall of Omni, but the quality of life in my experience as an FO has been excellent. Even my wife said she likes this job. Lots of things need to be addressed, but QOL is pretty good
Other ACMI's work fewer days on, for higher guarantee's, with direct retirement contributions, have less draconian management who's only answer to everything is you're fired. You accumulate vacation faster elsewhere, your pay is higher elsewhere, you get hazardous duty over rides elsewhere for stuff this place expects you to suck it up and go do. Other places get year end bonus checks, we get christmas dinner on the company card (if working). We get endless deadheads on company aircraft when direct routing is available, we get 21 and 24 hour duty days for travel when everybody else laughs at us. We get business class on a 3 hour international, but not on an 11 hour domestic..... they switched from in-house travel to Hotel Connections and it just gets worse every year. We went from Marriot, Sheraton and Hilton to Holiday Inn Express. Other airlines pay for your in base parking, ours doesn't and that adds up in some cases to over $1200 a year. Even a regional like republic buys their crews a luggage works roll aboard every 4-5 years, but not us. Other airlines get 200% on days off.... we get a flat $300, $400 or $500.... friggin joke. We get 50% deadhead pay credit while others get 100%. Other airines have real disability insurance provided by the company in case you're injured or long term sick, or lose your medical.... not us. Other ACMI's don't get sent home with no furlough protections within 2 hours of their type ride. Our hotel transportation has never been less dependable than now. Worse is the plane to off base, or off base to plane transportation. Waited almost 2 hours to get off a base last fall. We get augmented crew on 5 hour flights because the company didn't negotiate deadheading crew into the contract, so they assign you to work augmented when its not required, rather than buy you a ticket. They're hiring management level people from outside with sketchy credentials.
Six years ago our contract looked pretty decent. Now we look like a joke. This industry has changed dramatically, and ATSG and our management is still living in the past.
We are havng senior check airman, instructors and APD's leave for jobs at start-ups and REGIONALS !!! Why? because they can make $450k a year as a captain/instructor on a plane they've never even flown before. We've had junior Captains here leave and are direct entry captains at REGONALS with 200% pay over rides pulling in $30k a month. We've had guys leave here and within their first year are a 737 Captain at United doing $313 an hour.
Times have changed, and they need to catch up, or just accept shrinking and slowly dying. I'm about at the end of my rope waiting for ATSG to right the listing ship.... the lifeboats elsewhere are looking really good of late. The recent statements by ATSG that they do not anticipate any new labor contracts this year kinda sealed the deal for me to begin looking elsewhere. The union should just file bargaining in bad faith against them since these contract meetings clearly have no purpose since they have publicaly stated to their investors that they have no intent of doing anything this year for any new labor contracts.
Last edited by Cujo665; 03-18-2024 at 08:07 AM.
03-18-2024, 01:06 PM
#4264
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Maybe all that, but you've got those cool generic wings with the plastic stick-on logo, and the flag tie with yellow stripes that looks like it's been left out in the sun too long, so you've got that going for you, which is nice.
03-18-2024, 03:15 PM
#4265
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
Compared to what? Where are you comming from before here?
Other ACMI's work fewer days on, for higher guarantee's, with direct retirement contributions, have less draconian management who's only answer to everything is you're fired. You accumulate vacation faster elsewhere, your pay is higher elsewhere, you get hazardous duty over rides elsewhere for stuff this place expects you to suck it up and go do. Other places get year end bonus checks, we get christmas dinner on the company card (if working). We get endless deadheads on company aircraft when direct routing is available, we get 21 and 24 hour duty days for travel when everybody else laughs at us. We get business class on a 3 hour international, but not on an 11 hour domestic..... they switched from in-house travel to Hotel Connections and it just gets worse every year. We went from Marriot, Sheraton and Hilton to Holiday Inn Express. Other airlines pay for your in base parking, ours doesn't and that adds up in some cases to over $1200 a year. Even a regional like republic buys their crews a luggage works roll aboard every 4-5 years, but not us. Other airlines get 200% on days off.... we get a flat $300, $400 or $500.... friggin joke. We get 50% deadhead pay credit while others get 100%. Other airines have real disability insurance provided by the company in case you're injured or long term sick, or lose your medical.... not us. Other ACMI's don't get sent home with no furlough protections within 2 hours of their type ride. Our hotel transportation has never been less dependable than now. Worse is the plane to off base, or off base to plane transportation. Waited almost 2 hours to get off a base last fall. We get augmented crew on 5 hour flights because the company didn't negotiate deadheading crew into the contract, so they assign you to work augmented when its not required, rather than buy you a ticket. They're hiring management level people from outside with sketchy credentials.
Six years ago our contract looked pretty decent. Now we look like a joke. This industry has changed dramatically, and ATSG and our management is still living in the past.
We are havng senior check airman, instructors and APD's leave for jobs at start-ups and REGIONALS !!! Why? because they can make $450k a year as a captain/instructor on a plane they've never even flown before. We've had junior Captains here leave and are direct entry captains at REGONALS with 200% pay over rides pulling in $30k a month. We've had guys leave here and within their first year are a 737 Captain at United doing $313 an hour.
Times have changed, and they need to catch up, or just accept shrinking and slowly dying. I'm about at the end of my rope waiting for ATSG to right the listing ship.... the lifeboats elsewhere are looking really good of late. The recent statements by ATSG that they do not anticipate any new labor contracts this year kinda sealed the deal for me to begin looking elsewhere. The union should just file bargaining in bad faith against them since these contract meetings clearly have no purpose since they have publicaly stated to their investors that they have no intent of doing anything this year for any new labor contracts.
Other ACMI's work fewer days on, for higher guarantee's, with direct retirement contributions, have less draconian management who's only answer to everything is you're fired. You accumulate vacation faster elsewhere, your pay is higher elsewhere, you get hazardous duty over rides elsewhere for stuff this place expects you to suck it up and go do. Other places get year end bonus checks, we get christmas dinner on the company card (if working). We get endless deadheads on company aircraft when direct routing is available, we get 21 and 24 hour duty days for travel when everybody else laughs at us. We get business class on a 3 hour international, but not on an 11 hour domestic..... they switched from in-house travel to Hotel Connections and it just gets worse every year. We went from Marriot, Sheraton and Hilton to Holiday Inn Express. Other airlines pay for your in base parking, ours doesn't and that adds up in some cases to over $1200 a year. Even a regional like republic buys their crews a luggage works roll aboard every 4-5 years, but not us. Other airlines get 200% on days off.... we get a flat $300, $400 or $500.... friggin joke. We get 50% deadhead pay credit while others get 100%. Other airines have real disability insurance provided by the company in case you're injured or long term sick, or lose your medical.... not us. Other ACMI's don't get sent home with no furlough protections within 2 hours of their type ride. Our hotel transportation has never been less dependable than now. Worse is the plane to off base, or off base to plane transportation. Waited almost 2 hours to get off a base last fall. We get augmented crew on 5 hour flights because the company didn't negotiate deadheading crew into the contract, so they assign you to work augmented when its not required, rather than buy you a ticket. They're hiring management level people from outside with sketchy credentials.
Six years ago our contract looked pretty decent. Now we look like a joke. This industry has changed dramatically, and ATSG and our management is still living in the past.
We are havng senior check airman, instructors and APD's leave for jobs at start-ups and REGIONALS !!! Why? because they can make $450k a year as a captain/instructor on a plane they've never even flown before. We've had junior Captains here leave and are direct entry captains at REGONALS with 200% pay over rides pulling in $30k a month. We've had guys leave here and within their first year are a 737 Captain at United doing $313 an hour.
Times have changed, and they need to catch up, or just accept shrinking and slowly dying. I'm about at the end of my rope waiting for ATSG to right the listing ship.... the lifeboats elsewhere are looking really good of late. The recent statements by ATSG that they do not anticipate any new labor contracts this year kinda sealed the deal for me to begin looking elsewhere. The union should just file bargaining in bad faith against them since these contract meetings clearly have no purpose since they have publicaly stated to their investors that they have no intent of doing anything this year for any new labor contracts.
03-18-2024, 09:19 PM
#4266
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Originally Posted by Cavflyer
A lot of your response was about $.
It really is all about the benjamins (and the life one undertakes in pursuit, thereof).
03-20-2024, 04:02 AM
#4267
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Joined APC: Feb 2014
Position: Semi-Retired...
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Originally Posted by Cavflyer
I came from a regional. QOL was horrible, and going back is not worth the $200k signing bonus to me.
Originally Posted by Cavflyer
I have worked less than I would at any other airline I am aware of. Maybe just lucky.
We are now close to the bottom of the barrel in our segment of the industry. If people that fly here keep making excuses - about how great they think it is - then things won't change or improve.
I'd suggest that before pontificating about how great it is; you take some time to look at and read other pilot contracts. Everybody has passed us by; both in terms of pay and QOL.
03-20-2024, 06:41 AM
#4268
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Joined APC: Jun 2008
Posts: 207
Unfortunatly Cujo is correct. All ATSG companies/airlines are bottom of the barrel; it's by design. The parent corp. is happy with their new(er) model of low/low cost carrier. They will nicely state their is a mutal place for improvements (the middle ground) where both the company and union can live with contract changes....but neither party (including ATI) are there. Simply put, they have a very limited number in mind for any improvements and increasing costs. That number isn't good for the pilot/industry.
When Omni first joined the ATSG family of horrors the pilot group was told on forums like this their future was going to be difficult. Now those times are well upon them. I personally expect it to be only a matter of time before you are further processed into the ILN machine. Corp HQ will eventually move, support offices, etc.. You'll even be required to use the local sim if there were any time available (which there isn't..). Many other areas will drop to what ABX/ATI have.
When Omni first joined the ATSG family of horrors the pilot group was told on forums like this their future was going to be difficult. Now those times are well upon them. I personally expect it to be only a matter of time before you are further processed into the ILN machine. Corp HQ will eventually move, support offices, etc.. You'll even be required to use the local sim if there were any time available (which there isn't..). Many other areas will drop to what ABX/ATI have.
03-20-2024, 09:23 AM
#4269
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Originally Posted by Cavflyer
I came from a regional. QOL was horrible, and going back is not worth the $200k signing bonus to me. A lot of your response was about $. And you make a lot of important points. Personally, I've been home a lot; and I have worked less than I would at any other airline I am aware of. Maybe just lucky.
I don’t believe the Omni pilots are avert to working, they just expect to be adequately compensated for it.
They would also expect a hotel reservation at the end of a very long duty day and the opportunity to go home during their time off without being held out by crew scheduling.
They don’t like to dead head around the world in the back of packed company aircraft so that Omni can sidestep their contractual obligation of buying business tickets, and they certainly not appreciate being talked to like children by an inept management team that uses rhetorical terms to hide their incompetence.
I believe that are the quality of life issues Omni pilots are talking about, not how often we come to work.
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