Except when a pattern exists where one seems to come down with an illness at a convenient time to avoid an undesirable sequence. But that's up to HR to determine actions, if any to be taken.

 

Or a chief pilot. In any event, if there are no contractual protections for line flying, and no line guarantees (one can't show harm if given a trip not on one's line, or removed from a trip, when one wouldn't break guarantee), then advocating calling in sick to avoid flying one doesn't want to do borders on a job action, and certianly could merit diciplinary action. As you note, a pattern may certainly warrant such. It's not only an HR matter, however.

If one calls in sick, an employer is quite justified in requiring a doctors note, both to verify the illness, and to show the pilot is fit to return. An employer who suspects the employee is lying, may very well make such a request. That may make such a game expensive, and presents jeopardy.

If that employee group were to be in negotiations, and negotiations were to be tense, allegations of calls for job actions, sick-outs, or other action that's not backed up by a CBA, would be damaging to that process. Particuarly such a call on a public forum. Counseling others to call in sick when they don't get what they want certainly lends credence to an allegation of job action, and in the least, may result in disciplinary action to those following that counsel. Either way, nothing good comes of the call or the fallout. The call loses its efficacy when advertised in advance. Such as here.

 

Please be careful about any suggestions that might be construed as wildcat action, that can get your union in hot water. It can be a fine line, but err on the side of caution.


### It is against the APC Forum Rules to advocate any labor action which is not authorized by the RLA/NMB. This applies to ANY wildcat actions, including slowdown, work-to-rules, withdrawal of enthusiasm (WOE), sickouts, etc. It is irrelevant whether the union itself has anything to do with the action. Major unions have lost court cases and in one instance suffered severe financial damage in the process. Online posts, including anonymous posts and posts made here on APC, have been used in lawsuits against unions. Many major airlines are in negotiations at this time, and many are contentious. We have been contacted by major union legal teams regarding this issue. The rules here have not changed, but the enforcement will now result in a 30 day ban from APC for violations. Please don't sabotage your own union's efforts on your behalf.

 

You’re partially correct. The headline here is that a lack of doctor’s note/visit doesn’t indicate a lack of illness which precludes certifying fit for duty. The FAA knows this, as does every management group. They(the company) try to scare people into not using sick time, but most understand the system. They target new guys with the scare tactics.

 

Yeah.. save those sick calls for when you're paired up with someone you don't want to fly with, Lol ...
I know there's a couple of CAs who it's no secret lead the company in sick-calls from FOs who'd rather burn sick time than fly w/them!!

 

Why is it when we talk about FAR 117 there is always someone in the corn field yelling "Job Action"? No organization to and No job action, or wildcat strike talk. Just the regulation statement that....

Section 117.3 defines “fit for duty” as being physiologically and mentally prepared and capable of performing assigned duties at the highest degree of safety.

YOU THE PILOT WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE (Not the company) if it is determined that you operated not in accordance to the FAR 117 regulations if something happens that warrants an investigation.

Now that is a "Flight Duty Period" assigned, so DH travel might be looked at differently, but, DH travel on company aircraft requires adherence to GOM policies. Is the duty different, yes, but in an emergency as a uniformed crewmember one might be put in a situation that they are not "physiologically and mentally prepared and capable of performing" is a question that wasn't addressed in the protest period of the 117 regs with uniformed DH travel.

 

We weren't talking about Part 117. We were talking about something else entirely, and it appears that conversation has been removed from the thread. I won't revisit it, as a moderator has seen fit to address the matter.

There was, nowever, no discussion which suggested one should not call fatigue, or sick, if one is fatigued, or is sick. Further more, no one labled calling in sick, or fatigued, as a "job action." Only you have done that, ust now. Further exploration of that would require re-visiting that which has been removed, and one need not poke the bear.

 

So, I saw the vote for Strike happened in Febuary, and then nothing after that, what's the cooling off period for the strike to happen? Or do you think you'll get a contract before the strike actually happens?

Do you know what the major things the are being asked for in the contract and what do you think you'll get?
QOL, and 401K would be most important to me as an outsider thinking of applying to Omni.

Thanks

 

You get what you negotiate. Not what you deserve. Omni pilots deserve Delta 18 percent DC, payrates, and work rules. ATSG however does not value pilots or emplyees. If you are considering employment at any airline you can only base your decision on current pay rates and work rules. Never base the decision on managements promise of future airplanes or a new contract. Those false promises seldom if ever actually come to fruition.

 

rewrite this, make it sound like friends messaging each other on Airline Pilot Central:

Sure I get it, that new people coming to the airline makes it seem harder to negociate, but I'm getting furloughed Sept 1st. I'm looking for a place to go ASAP, don't want to go back to the regionals, airport standby, and commuting with 11 days off a month for the next 2-3 years even though I could make $300k a year plus. I'd rather have crap pay and family time vs good pay and no time off.

You know you are getting a new contract, it will be forced by arbutration at some point, I want to know what the union is trying to fight for, or are your union reps worthless like at my last airline and they sold out to the company or if they are asking for reasonable things that might make this place a good palce to go to. IF you are going on strike when?

The union should have told what they are fighting for to employees. Yes people should use a future contract as a small part of choosing to work for a company. I would not use new aircraft as a basis or expect the entire list of items wanted in the contract, but you'll get some of what your asking for in the contract.