Tom Bradys Cat

Yeah, it is what it is. If I were management I would has asked myself..... How low can we set pay whilst not pushing people out the door? In other words you want to set self attrition slightly slower than company forced attrition.

This allows for the recovery phase by keeping peole on the books whilst concurrently reducing the burn down.

That is what needed to happen here.....and probably has. Just not sure if by design or luck.

So when the COLA people come back do they squeeze.in and push people off the bottom and into furlough?

And my thoughts on the union.... Without poking a bear. Thanks for your efforts. You made a decision. Some people win, some people loose.

Betasound

I did not play a role in the negotiations of this, I am also an ALPA volunteer, close to the MEC and I know none of them wanted to do anything like what we did. Decisions were made for the short term, hoping that it doesn't become long term and UAL wanted it quick, like within 72 hours of being told. Having 40% stake in C5, they dictate what we do, whether we want them to or not. And they can certainly still "Comair" us, which honestly, that's still a high risk even in the short term depending on the effects of this. I see more of a merger with XJT where C5 folks will still lose if that happens.

As far as your question on COLA/ 40 hour folks coming back, if nothing else is in place when that happens, then yes, those still here with low seniority will likely be pushed into furlough when those people return. But it's not that simple. If this becomes long term, people will need to be downgraded to FO and right seat qualified. Bases will need re-shuffled etc. In other words, decisions made now are temporary and will be revisited.

tommy2times

“ALPA is no friend of the regionals folks”

SIUav8er

Wrong. YOUR local MEC is YOUR problem. ALPA national isnt even a union, they are an association of member unions. Each pilot group is its own entity that conducts their own negotiations and uses the resources of the national association to aid those negotiations. Dont like your MEC? vote em out!

LostMedic

Do you really think us senior guys are out to get you? If so leave now, most of us took as many cuts as we could so those below us could survive. I am disappointed in you accusing the MEC, after they nearly endless work they did in a 72 hour period of time. EB and JS almost got no sleep for 3 days working on this. The first cut was 200-250 with a reduction. Then there was the retraining, and other items. This was all before the 50% reduction in HQ and MX. There were a lot of moving parts, and the target is still moving.
BTW saying you never see the benefit of your union, well you should look into what they do. Pro standards, ASAP, FQUA, TRB, ect... Believe me at some point in time in your airline career you want those things. I know personally I have went out on a very thin limb for a few people and they never knew it. I want that to stay that way. And that is just me, there are about 40 of us doing things behind the scenes, and if we do our jobs right you never have to deal with a carpet dance, or have your job in jeopardy.
Now this is an extraordinary time, and not every airline will be saved. Republic is looking at a reduction of 75+% of their total workforce. That is over 5000 people losing their jobs. Not everyone can be saved. It is a numbers game, and I am sorry if you are one of the first casualties, but there are no winners. We maybe all casualties in the end, and mitigation is not a cure. Your anger is misplaced, and logic must be looked at. We are down to only 15% of our flying now, and he’ll if you number is over 80 and this thing does not get better soon come OCT1 we may all lose.
But still, to think that is in the union do not think about every single person under our little slice of heaven. Come on now, I have lived in a union house hold my entire life. 3 strikes, and my family having a house foreclosed on them, but we stuck with our brothers. It can be worse, just know that, it may not seem like it, but it can be so much worse.

MaxQ

good post........

iahflyr

I don’t know why this is surprising. The same thing is happening at Delta right now. Delta management asked for a 20% reduction in ALV so that the company won’t have to furlough so many people come October 1. But now the top of Delta’s list is thumping around “full pay til the last day.” It sounds like there will be a last day for a lot more people as they head to furlough because the senior pilots refuse to take a temporary cut in hourly guarantee. Senior pilots will always sell out junior pilots.

marshal

Full pay to the last day comes from lessons learned from the two previous downturns. Airlines are great at taking pay and benefits away in order to “save” the company and then not returning the benefits back when times improve.


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Cujo665

THIS EXACTLY.... can't yell it loud enough to the newer generation who've never lived under airline management before.

Ask the American pilots about the all cuts to save jobs and "save the company" over the years, then in the bankruptcy they find the company kept their swanky townhouse in London near Downing St and a bunch of other perks and stuff that should have been shed but weren't. Then after a decade of living those concessions they get hosed with a bankruptcy contract.

You guys will give concessions, and a year later they'll run a sham bankruptcy to reorganize, refinance, and stick you with a sub par contract.... because well, the cuts just weren't enough after all. We tried. sorry.

Finally, 50 hour pay at a regional is probably under what unemployment pays currently.... add in the $600 weekly override from the feds stimulus for four months and you'd be far better off taking the short term furlough.

Never take concessions for jobs....

Bahamasflyer

Surely, no pilot group in this day and age is dumb enough to take hourly rate cuts? Sure....I'm willing to fly less, but I sure as heck won't fly FOR less.