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03-22-2020, 04:23 AM
#11
Line Holder
Joined APC: Feb 2019
Posts: 60
Originally Posted by JediCheese
We lose 60% of our flying and you expect there to not be furloughs? I'm not sure what world you're in. I'm amazed we still have jobs! I fully expected to get Compass'ed and be looking for a new job at the end of month.
I've talked to a number of senior captains and there's a good mix of reduced line holders, long call, and LOAs. There's a bunch of guys that picked up 300% like there's no tomorrow in previous months that would like to make 40 hours to sit at home and watch paint dry.
The FOs are another matter due to all the complainging about LOA 4 going away that's been going on for the last few months. Welcome to aviation, hope you have a 6 month furlough fund (because you'll need it once a decade). I really feel bad for the Aussies because they're about to get effectively fired and I'm not sure how much the Union/Company can protect them from their Visa's getting pulled.
Why didn't you throw your hat in the ring when the FO rep was up for vote a few months ago? HE WASN'T EVEN ON THE BALLOT AND GOT IN VIA A WRITE IN CAMPAIGN! Shows you how much the pilot group cared about this position.
IMO, JS has a keen business sense and CEO type personality that is willing to do what's necessary in order to get the best deal available. He wasn't squeamish about what they did and owned it like a good leader would.
The crew room is definitely buzzing, but it's not because they sold the pilot group to management for a sack of glass beads.
There's multiple descriptions of the Q&A out there. I didn't even try and found 3...
I've talked to a number of senior captains and there's a good mix of reduced line holders, long call, and LOAs. There's a bunch of guys that picked up 300% like there's no tomorrow in previous months that would like to make 40 hours to sit at home and watch paint dry.
The FOs are another matter due to all the complainging about LOA 4 going away that's been going on for the last few months. Welcome to aviation, hope you have a 6 month furlough fund (because you'll need it once a decade). I really feel bad for the Aussies because they're about to get effectively fired and I'm not sure how much the Union/Company can protect them from their Visa's getting pulled.
Why didn't you throw your hat in the ring when the FO rep was up for vote a few months ago? HE WASN'T EVEN ON THE BALLOT AND GOT IN VIA A WRITE IN CAMPAIGN! Shows you how much the pilot group cared about this position.
IMO, JS has a keen business sense and CEO type personality that is willing to do what's necessary in order to get the best deal available. He wasn't squeamish about what they did and owned it like a good leader would.
The crew room is definitely buzzing, but it's not because they sold the pilot group to management for a sack of glass beads.
There's multiple descriptions of the Q&A out there. I didn't even try and found 3...
You tell me what airline has decided to furlough during this so top half can live “comfortable” while bottom half gets sent packing? The mainlines have taken what the company offered. But then again, the reps are lifers, including you jeddi.
Last edited by Workhard; 03-22-2020 at 04:48 AM.
03-22-2020, 04:53 AM
#12
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2015
Posts: 403
Originally Posted by Workhard
Talking like a true union rep. I don’t know what crew room you been sitting in our what one friend you have since your a lifer, but people definitely are bad mouthing them (and you). If the company offers a out for everyone keep jobs, who would not take that? These Aussies are gonna get screwed along with everyone on lower half of seniority list so you, JS, EB, and RM can live comfortable.
You tell me what airline has decided to furlough during this so top half can live “comfortable” while bottom half gets sent packing? The mainlines have taken what the company offered. But then again, the reps are lifers, including you jeddi.
You tell me what airline has decided to furlough during this so top half can live “comfortable” while bottom half gets sent packing? The mainlines have taken what the company offered. But then again, the reps are lifers, including you jeddi.
I guess I'm an ALPA boot licker rep? If that's your opinion of me so be it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
JS said he is taking the LOA. EB is on the MEC Chair LOA. RM is a line pilot just like everyone else (I'm not even sure he was consulted on this).
You might want to check yourself before you go full LC. I like LC, and he serves an important purpose in the union/company, but sometimes the ranting over very old slights gets old.
Originally Posted by njd1
Funny...I did try and found nothing. But then again, I don't have a facebook account and never will. 3 links on facebook might as well be at the bottom of the ocean -- I won't see them.
03-22-2020, 05:08 AM
#13
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 161
Originally Posted by Workhard
Talking like a true union rep. I don’t know what crew room you been sitting in our what one friend you have since your a lifer, but people definitely are bad mouthing them (and you). If the company offers a out for everyone keep jobs, who would not take that? These Aussies are gonna get screwed along with everyone on lower half of seniority list so you, JS, EB, and RM can live comfortable.
You tell me what airline has decided to furlough during this so top half can live “comfortable” while bottom half gets sent packing? The mainlines have taken what the company offered. But then again, the reps are lifers, including you jeddi.
You tell me what airline has decided to furlough during this so top half can live “comfortable” while bottom half gets sent packing? The mainlines have taken what the company offered. But then again, the reps are lifers, including you jeddi.
I don’t think you understand the full situation. Everyone is getting screwed. C5 is going to pay a ton of us 40hrs to sit at home next month. That includes senior and junior Captains and senior and junior FOs. There is only enough flying for 75 people in each seat for 150 total. If they just reduced min guarantee they would still have to cut 200-300 people off the bottom. This proposal uses the ritual of seniority to see who gets what. The expectations are that there are a several senior people who will take a COLA or the 40 hrs to allow more junior pilots to get the flying lines. That was specifically said in the call.
These are trying times we live in. There will be people who get hurt. There is no way to save pain from from everyone. This not my first downturn and I can tell you this is a better option than just blanket reductions. This gives the company a way to save cash at same time keeping most of the pilots for the rebound we hope is coming in a few months. If the company doesn’t save cash we are all out of a job.
Being forced to only get 40 sucks, but it is better than unemployed. This plan keeps more us employed.
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03-22-2020, 05:19 AM
#14
Line Holder
Joined APC: Feb 2019
Posts: 60
Originally Posted by JediCheese
Please shoot me if I become a lifer. Get in, get your time, and get out is my mantra here.
I guess I'm an ALPA boot licker rep? If that's your opinion of me so be it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
JS said he is taking the LOA. EB is on the MEC Chair LOA. RM is a line pilot just like everyone else (I'm not even sure he was consulted on this).
You might want to check yourself before you go full LC. I like LC, and he serves an important purpose in the union/company, but sometimes the ranting over very old slights gets old.
PM'ed. Sadly FB is the best option for getting info and rumors at the moment.
I guess I'm an ALPA boot licker rep? If that's your opinion of me so be it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
JS said he is taking the LOA. EB is on the MEC Chair LOA. RM is a line pilot just like everyone else (I'm not even sure he was consulted on this).
You might want to check yourself before you go full LC. I like LC, and he serves an important purpose in the union/company, but sometimes the ranting over very old slights gets old.
PM'ed. Sadly FB is the best option for getting info and rumors at the moment.
A lot of good people are going be jobless and sacrificed for the top percent to keep all that money. Not sure how you can justify that especially when the majors are taking concessions from top down of seniority.
03-22-2020, 05:19 AM
#15
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jul 2009
Position: 121 Right Seat
Posts: 49
Originally Posted by Workhard
Yep! Told my some my family at UA about what JS said on phone during union call and what they did during negotiations, completely shocked is an understatement. JS definitely made a name for himself along with EB. Crew room definitely is buzzing about those guys and what they did for themselves and no one else. They need to go.
Totally out of line post. Now is NOT the time for this sort of divisiveness, even if you are correct (my personal opinion is you are not).
What was negotiated was the ability for senior people to choose and the most junior people to get what’s left over. That’s the same way the bid works every month. You signed up for a seniority system when you joined the association.
If senior people want to take a pay cut so you can keep your job then they have that choice.
Let me say that again:
IF SENIOR PEOPLE WANT TO TAKE A PAYCUT AND LET JUNIOR PEOPLE WORK THEN THEY CAN.
Sounds to me like they did a great job making sure IF anyone get’s furloughed then at least they will have an airline to return to.
03-22-2020, 05:22 AM
#16
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2016
Posts: 233
Originally Posted by elssaw
Totally out of line post. Now is NOT the time for this sort of divisiveness, even if you are correct (my personal opinion is you are not).
What was negotiated was the ability for senior people to choose and the most junior people to get what’s left over. That’s the same way the bid works every month. You signed up for a seniority system when you joined the association.
If senior people want to take a pay cut so you can keep your job then they have that choice.
Let me say that again:
IF SENIOR PEOPLE WANT TO TAKE A PAYCUT AND LET JUNIOR PEOPLE WORK THEN THEY CAN.
Sounds to me like they did a great job making sure IF anyone get’s furloughed then at least they will have an airline to return to.
What was negotiated was the ability for senior people to choose and the most junior people to get what’s left over. That’s the same way the bid works every month. You signed up for a seniority system when you joined the association.
If senior people want to take a pay cut so you can keep your job then they have that choice.
Let me say that again:
IF SENIOR PEOPLE WANT TO TAKE A PAYCUT AND LET JUNIOR PEOPLE WORK THEN THEY CAN.
Sounds to me like they did a great job making sure IF anyone get’s furloughed then at least they will have an airline to return to.
03-22-2020, 05:31 AM
#17
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jul 2009
Position: 121 Right Seat
Posts: 49
Originally Posted by Jeff90
what an ******* thing to post
Lol. (Snowflakes melt when things heat up.)
If senior people want to take a pay-cut so junior people can keep flying then they can.
Don’t blame your leadership for that. Someone posted “It’s time for them to go”. That would be by vote. Everyone would get a voice. Which is what they gave us.
IF SENIOR PEOPLE WANT TO TAKE A PAYCUT SO JUNIOR PEOPLE CAN KEEP FLYING THEN THEY CAN.
03-22-2020, 05:33 AM
#18
Line Holder
Thread Starter
Joined APC: Aug 2019
Posts: 40
Originally Posted by elssaw
Totally out of line post. Now is NOT the time for this sort of divisiveness, even if you are correct (my personal opinion is you are not).
What was negotiated was the ability for senior people to choose and the most junior people to get what’s left over. That’s the same way the bid works every month. You signed up for a seniority system when you joined the association.
If senior people want to take a pay cut so you can keep your job then they have that choice.
Let me say that again:
IF SENIOR PEOPLE WANT TO TAKE A PAYCUT AND LET JUNIOR PEOPLE WORK THEN THEY CAN.
Sounds to me like they did a great job making sure IF anyone get’s furloughed then at least they will have an airline to return to.
What was negotiated was the ability for senior people to choose and the most junior people to get what’s left over. That’s the same way the bid works every month. You signed up for a seniority system when you joined the association.
If senior people want to take a pay cut so you can keep your job then they have that choice.
Let me say that again:
IF SENIOR PEOPLE WANT TO TAKE A PAYCUT AND LET JUNIOR PEOPLE WORK THEN THEY CAN.
Sounds to me like they did a great job making sure IF anyone get’s furloughed then at least they will have an airline to return to.
03-22-2020, 05:39 AM
#19
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Joined APC: Jun 2016
Posts: 233
Originally Posted by elssaw
Lol. (Snowflakes melt when things heat up.)
If senior people want to take a pay-cut so junior people can keep flying then they can.
Don’t blame your leadership for that. Someone posted “It’s time for them to go”. That would be by vote. Everyone would get a voice. Which is what they gave us.
IF SENIOR PEOPLE WANT TO TAKE A PAYCUT SO JUNIOR PEOPLE CAN KEEP FLYING THEN THEY CAN.
If senior people want to take a pay-cut so junior people can keep flying then they can.
Don’t blame your leadership for that. Someone posted “It’s time for them to go”. That would be by vote. Everyone would get a voice. Which is what they gave us.
IF SENIOR PEOPLE WANT TO TAKE A PAYCUT SO JUNIOR PEOPLE CAN KEEP FLYING THEN THEY CAN.
secondly you must forget what a union is supposed to represent. It doesn’t represent the top seniority it represents the whole pilot group as one. So clearly you have not clue what a brotherhood is and how to care for one another. What if they said the top seniority can go packing because the top seniority makes the most money and it’s cheaper to keep more junior people.
YOU WOULD ABSOLUTELY BE ****ED IF US JUNIOR GUYS DIDN'T TAKE 50 hours to save your ass.
I get seniority means everything, however every single person that voted no to the 50 hours at the top when the junior guys do come back off furlough will most likely never speak to you again. As well good luck getting hired at mainline after they ask how you weathered the Corona storm, but of course you will lie and act like a core 4 team player won’t you?
03-22-2020, 05:42 AM
#20
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Joined APC: Feb 2014
Position: Semi-Retired...
Posts: 3,128
Originally Posted by Fifi
Alpa are jackals who eagerly toss your dues into their bank accounts as compensation for having fancy lunches together, while line holders do the real work, only to leave you hanging in crucial moments as they cower & scatter rather than represent your best interests.
I got my taste of this last year, shameful to see, but I’ll certainly never forget it.
very sorry alpa and the C5 senior types there are letting you down. It will bite them, I’m sure, but you’ll move on and be wiser.
stay strong
I got my taste of this last year, shameful to see, but I’ll certainly never forget it.
very sorry alpa and the C5 senior types there are letting you down. It will bite them, I’m sure, but you’ll move on and be wiser.
stay strong
First, ALPA Volunteers like your LEC/MEC reps are not paid. They are line pilots just like you out doing the "real work." They are only removed from flying when the company approves it for either meetings, training, or other legitimate events. Some of these are covered by paying them for the lost flying, others that happen to fall on days off, are unpaid and they just suck it up as a volunteer. I am sure nobody has any problem with paying them for the flying they are removed from. As a volunteer they should not be forced to lose money by volunteering.
They do go out for group meals, and honestly I've never liked it.... but giving the volunteers a decent meal for the efforts is a more than fair exchange if you ever saw how much work they're doing on your behalf behind the scenes. Do some abuse the meals, yep... but it's rare.
It's clear from your posting that you have no idea at all how much work union volunteers actually do, or you'd be on here saying thank you, instead of blindly throwing stones.
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