CommutAir Rumors and Info
10-06-2018, 03:28 PM
#5041
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Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 28
Originally Posted by c402fr8er
Thank-you for the kind words. We're doing our very best to train and mentor new hires and get them up to speed, while also maintaining the high safety standard that the traveling public has come to expect with a 121 airline.
This.
Your first few days on IOE, things will be happening much faster than you're used to. While in sim we stress taking your time on emergencies, during normal operations, certain things DO have to be done in a timely manner, especially in the terminal area. The LCA will try and control the pace as best they can, but we still have an airline to run and ATC won't give you delay vectors while you figure out the FGP and FMS landing in EWR. They often will give you a turn onto final right at GS intercept and expect you to hold 180 knots to the marker.
By the time you finish SIT, GFS and sim, your flows and call outs should be close to muscle memory. Able to do them without conscious thought. That way, we can focus on things that cannot be trained in the sim.
Also, have a solid understanding of how to interact with ATC in the IFR system. Review the pilot controller glossary. Review the taxi diagram in Dulles and Newark, and listen to LiveATC of their ground control frequencies to get an idea of how traffic flows. Newark especially can be confusing until you figure out the flow there.
Good luck and welcome to the family.
This.
Your first few days on IOE, things will be happening much faster than you're used to. While in sim we stress taking your time on emergencies, during normal operations, certain things DO have to be done in a timely manner, especially in the terminal area. The LCA will try and control the pace as best they can, but we still have an airline to run and ATC won't give you delay vectors while you figure out the FGP and FMS landing in EWR. They often will give you a turn onto final right at GS intercept and expect you to hold 180 knots to the marker.
By the time you finish SIT, GFS and sim, your flows and call outs should be close to muscle memory. Able to do them without conscious thought. That way, we can focus on things that cannot be trained in the sim.
Also, have a solid understanding of how to interact with ATC in the IFR system. Review the pilot controller glossary. Review the taxi diagram in Dulles and Newark, and listen to LiveATC of their ground control frequencies to get an idea of how traffic flows. Newark especially can be confusing until you figure out the flow there.
Good luck and welcome to the family.
10-07-2018, 10:06 PM
#5043
Line Holder
Joined APC: Oct 2018
Posts: 99
Originally Posted by Boeing Aviator
Instead of rolling your eyes how about elaborating in your response. As a 30 plus year United pilot who has trained and mentored numerous pilots, I stand by my post.
10-08-2018, 07:43 AM
#5044
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2015
Position: B777 CA
Posts: 737
Originally Posted by Tankerds
Wait, who did you fly for again? And how many years did you work there...?
The point I’m trying to make, I’m more connected to what’s going on at the Regionals then most mainline pilots.
I provide career counseling and training prep to numerous pilots currently and over many years. I communicate with them throughout the entire training process.
That being said, I stand behind my original comment. My personal opinion is the instructors and those in training management at Commutair really do a great job.
Enough said.
10-08-2018, 01:16 PM
#5045
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Joined APC: Nov 2012
Posts: 48
Just chiming in with useful information as a C5 check airman. I hear a lot of “they never taught us that in the sim” or lot of hang ups because students try to understand what they’re doing. As with any training environment never get caught up with how they did it in the sim or a previous carrier. Just accept new information and realize the sim instructors never flew the line at C5(they are kicking line qualified instructors back to the line) aka shortage of pilots and send every man able to fly. Whatever the IOE instructor says will be what you need to fly the line. Also this is a growing airline so procedures change as mgmt learns a thing or two. Keep up and adapt.
Second is timing. I see brand new young 20 year olds blast through flows and memorize best practices asap. They will eventually learn what they’re pushing. Guys with experience/age really want to learn what they’re pushing so they delay every flight because they try to learn captain level knowledge. Push fast learn later. Once you do everything in 1/5 the time you can spend the rest reviewing and asking questions.
Those are my 2 biggest issues. Too many countless moments spent reaffirming that what im teaching is correct. Unless you know the manuals better than us and can find corrected info just follow along. If there is ever a discrepancy I whip out my aom/gom even the far/aim to verify.
TLDR memorize flows. Get it done asap. Do what LCA says. Pass IOE.
Second is timing. I see brand new young 20 year olds blast through flows and memorize best practices asap. They will eventually learn what they’re pushing. Guys with experience/age really want to learn what they’re pushing so they delay every flight because they try to learn captain level knowledge. Push fast learn later. Once you do everything in 1/5 the time you can spend the rest reviewing and asking questions.
Those are my 2 biggest issues. Too many countless moments spent reaffirming that what im teaching is correct. Unless you know the manuals better than us and can find corrected info just follow along. If there is ever a discrepancy I whip out my aom/gom even the far/aim to verify.
TLDR memorize flows. Get it done asap. Do what LCA says. Pass IOE.
10-09-2018, 05:04 AM
#5046
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2009
Posts: 741
Originally Posted by Boeing Aviator
Ok point taken. If I came across as some arrogant mainline pilot, then I apologize as that wasn’t my in
The point I’m trying to make, I’m more connected to what’s going on at the Regionals then most mainline pilots.
I provide career counseling and training prep to numerous pilots currently and over many years. I communicate with them throughout the entire training process.
That being said, I stand behind my original comment. My personal opinion is the instructors and those in training management at Commutair really do a great job.
Enough said.
The point I’m trying to make, I’m more connected to what’s going on at the Regionals then most mainline pilots.
I provide career counseling and training prep to numerous pilots currently and over many years. I communicate with them throughout the entire training process.
That being said, I stand behind my original comment. My personal opinion is the instructors and those in training management at Commutair really do a great job.
Enough said.
You definitely do not come across as arrogant. You seem to be both empathetic and thoughtful. My suspicions are that your experience and approach towards life and learning has helped many as they move into an airline career.
Your insights are appreciated.
10-09-2018, 08:45 AM
#5047
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2015
Position: B777 CA
Posts: 737
Originally Posted by MaxQ
Hi Boeing,
You definitely do not come across as arrogant. You seem to be both empathetic and thoughtful. My suspicions are that your experience and approach towards life and learning has helped many as they move into an airline career.
Your insights are appreciated.
You definitely do not come across as arrogant. You seem to be both empathetic and thoughtful. My suspicions are that your experience and approach towards life and learning has helped many as they move into an airline career.
Your insights are appreciated.
10-22-2018, 01:03 PM
#5048
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jul 2014
Position: A320 FO
Posts: 65
I have accepted a position with CommutAir. I've been told I can expect to be trained as a Captain and will fly as a CQF while I'm in the SUB 5% seniority range. I've been flying as a professional pilot for a long time and I've never seen such a good opportunity to transition to a legacy airline so quickly (on paper).
I'm concerned that it could be to good to be true. Let me be clear. I do not care about the day to day operational BS, lack of technology, short multiple legs, etc. All I want to do is be successful in training, pass the Hogan and United Interview, fly 1000 impeccable PIC hours for CommutAir and get out.
My concerns are with the fine print of the CPP and with the upcoming contract change coming at the end of 2019 affecting the rules and my timeline. I'm passing up more lucrative options for this and I'm ok with that if I have a good chance of success. But if I'm late to the game and the rules have a significant chance of changing during half time then I don't want to waist my time.
Anyone else have these concerns or am I being paranoid?
I'm concerned that it could be to good to be true. Let me be clear. I do not care about the day to day operational BS, lack of technology, short multiple legs, etc. All I want to do is be successful in training, pass the Hogan and United Interview, fly 1000 impeccable PIC hours for CommutAir and get out.
My concerns are with the fine print of the CPP and with the upcoming contract change coming at the end of 2019 affecting the rules and my timeline. I'm passing up more lucrative options for this and I'm ok with that if I have a good chance of success. But if I'm late to the game and the rules have a significant chance of changing during half time then I don't want to waist my time.
Anyone else have these concerns or am I being paranoid?
Last edited by Southernpilot; 10-22-2018 at 01:27 PM.
10-22-2018, 01:23 PM
#5049
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Posts: 650
I worked for C5 for 5 months. After passing all of the hoops and being in the CPP program I was willing to “wait my turn”. After they changed the rules of CPP the third from when I interviewed, I quit and moved on. I do have friends that have flowed so it does work. However keep in mind that the company can change things as they see fit because there are no set rules.
10-22-2018, 01:36 PM
#5050
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Joined APC: Jul 2014
Position: A320 FO
Posts: 65
Originally Posted by Duksrule
I worked for C5 for 5 months. After passing all of the hoops and being in the CPP program I was willing to “wait my turn”. After they changed the rules of CPP the third from when I interviewed, I quit and moved on. I do have friends that have flowed so it does work. However keep in mind that the company can change things as they see fit because there are no set rules.
Apparently, they need many "street captains" going forward to meet their growth and attrition needs. If they can't get them I would be concerned that the amount of people going to United would be reduced and back log could form. Granted, as it stands now this is the fasted program in the industry. I'm not trying to make a good deal look bad. But I'm wondering how people on property really view this program and its true chances of success for people being hired right now.
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