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Old 02-12-2016, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by PotatoChip
Haha, because it's a hard decision to take a 70% pay cut with a family and mortgage? There are very real reasons I would like to consider CommutAir. I'm not bragging about my salary, it comes at a cost, otherwise I wouldn't consider leaving. I'm just responding to the person who makes it seem like it's such an easy decision to make. We are all in different places. Many people think those that are going to the regionals are all 24 year olds with nothing to lose.

Sorry if that came off as anything else.
I am doing it. It's 13 years seniority and, yes about 70% paycut. I start March 7th. I can tell ya all about it over a beer.
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Old 02-12-2016, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by rokking566
Do you guys think this United CPP is for real and that you really will make it to United in two to four years? Would you have a better chance of getting to United in a few years just by going to a jet regional and obtaining hours there?
You can go to CommutAir and get hired outside of the CPP, if your resume meets the standards they are looking for.

In my opinion, this is a backup if you do not have enough bonus points on your app. This hasn't happened, but the program rules specify it and the program just started. They aren't even done interviewing everyone in the company, yet.
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Old 02-12-2016, 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by rokking566
Do you guys think this United CPP is for real and that you really will make it to United in two to four years? Would you have a better chance of getting to United in a few years just by going to a jet regional and obtaining hours there?
It's 100% for real. I do NOT think it will be 2-4 years to flow. United has given them 10 flow pilots for 2016. Ten.

Further, they have given zero information about what to expect for numbers going forward. They say they don't know and that United keeps it under wraps. I find that to be very suspect. If they have an agreement, and pilots are making decisions based on it, it should be known info. United is hiring 1000 this year, with 10 from CoomutAir. If it stays at 10 you are looking at least five years if only 100 out of the current 210 pilots flow.

All speculation... But I think it's more realistic then two years.
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Old 02-12-2016, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by PotatoChip
It's 100% for real. I do NOT think it will be 2-4 years to flow. United has given them 10 flow pilots for 2016. Ten.

Further, they have given zero information about what to expect for numbers going forward. They say they don't know and that United keeps it under wraps. I find that to be very suspect. If they have an agreement, and pilots are making decisions based on it, it should be known info. United is hiring 1000 this year, with 10 from CoomutAir. If it stays at 10 you are looking at least five years if only 100 out of the current 210 pilots flow.

All speculation... But I think it's more realistic then two years.
I have to agree. For planning purposes it would be a mistake to rely on the CPP to get to United, but I do think there's a chance it will work out pretty well for the top 1/3 of the company; they have a chance to go [I]relatively[I] soon if it all pans out.
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Old 02-12-2016, 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by PotatoChip
It's 100% for real. I do NOT think it will be 2-4 years to flow. United has given them 10 flow pilots for 2016. Ten.

Further, they have given zero information about what to expect for numbers going forward. They say they don't know and that United keeps it under wraps. I find that to be very suspect. If they have an agreement, and pilots are making decisions based on it, it should be known info. United is hiring 1000 this year, with 10 from CoomutAir. If it stays at 10 you are looking at least five years if only 100 out of the current 210 pilots flow.

All speculation... But I think it's more realistic then two years.
There ARE hard numbers. 10 in 2016, after that its either 5% of United hiring OR 10% of CommutAirs pilot group. Example. In 2017 United expects to hire 1000 pilots. 5% of 1000 is 50 Flow through, however CommutAir will probably have 300-350 pilots by 2017 so 10% of that is 30-35 pilots. So that means 2016 10 will flow, 2017 will be 30-50!
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Old 02-13-2016, 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by rbtower2
There ARE hard numbers. 10 in 2016, after that its either 5% of United hiring OR 10% of CommutAirs pilot group. Example. In 2017 United expects to hire 1000 pilots. 5% of 1000 is 50 Flow through, however CommutAir will probably have 300-350 pilots by 2017 so 10% of that is 30-35 pilots. So that means 2016 10 will flow, 2017 will be 30-50!
Thanks.

Do you have a source or a contract you can point to where this is written? Because the CommutAir recruiters and interviewing pilots had no idea.
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Old 02-13-2016, 06:00 AM
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I have been flying for a little while and during that time the one thing I have learned and am 100% sure about is you have no real control of your career. You do your part, licenses, hours, etc and then it's all a crap shoot.

Ask the Eastern, PanAm, Braniff guys. As those of us who were flying during 9/11 ask the guys work for TWA.

Plan your best and hope the others involved cooperate.

Let's see what happens to the industry/economy after this next presidential election.

That is a bit worrisome..
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Old 02-13-2016, 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by PotatoChip
Thanks.

Do you have a source or a contract you can point to where this is written? Because the CommutAir recruiters and interviewing pilots had no idea.
It was in a company memo; however, I don't think it mentioned the rate after 2016.
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Old 02-13-2016, 06:23 AM
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I just did the CPP and I have a feeling United is just going through the motions


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Old 02-13-2016, 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by rbtower2
There ARE hard numbers. 10 in 2016, after that its either 5% of United hiring OR 10% of CommutAirs pilot group. Example. In 2017 United expects to hire 1000 pilots. 5% of 1000 is 50 Flow through, however CommutAir will probably have 300-350 pilots by 2017 so 10% of that is 30-35 pilots. So that means 2016 10 will flow, 2017 will be 30-50!
This is not written anywhere, it's just what the company has mentioned in conference calls. Also, which one is it, 10% of CommutAir pilots or 5% of United's hiring? They keep throwing around 30 to 50 but I don't think anyone believes it will be between, it will be at the lowest possible number, 30.
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