Compass Updates 2: Revenge of the Sit
03-19-2019 | 08:49 AM
#1841
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TSH is so disgusting, this cancer needs to be removed from the industry.
03-19-2019 | 12:14 PM
#1842
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Is the flow back agreement with DL still intact? I know the flow ended a very longtime ago, and as it looks today it would never be used, but curious if the LOA/MOU still remains and is part of the current contract extension
03-19-2019 | 01:30 PM
#1843
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Congrats on the contract extension. For how long is this one?
03-19-2019 | 02:00 PM
#1844
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If it is like the TSA agreement, the letters that deny hiring outside the flow to those that apply to F9 are from the F9 recruiting department, not TSA. What we were told was F9s legal department determined they could not hire outside the flow due to language placed in the agreement by TSH legal counsel.
So this is apparently an internal decision at F9 based on language in the agreement and has nothing to do with ALPA. The flow was negotiated between both companies and ALPA was not involved.
So this is apparently an internal decision at F9 based on language in the agreement and has nothing to do with ALPA. The flow was negotiated between both companies and ALPA was not involved.
Under the old F9 contract, this would have been a non-issue, as the number of CP people going to F9 back then was minuscule (<10 per year). But now with the new and improved F9 contract, I'm guessing TSH insisted on the same restriction with CP. So we probably just got the same agreement that TSA did, except it's 2-4/month instead of 2.
I would be surprised though if our union challenged this at all.
03-19-2019 | 05:24 PM
#1845
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From: Taco Rocket Operator
Poking around a bit in the TSA subforum, it sounds like the restriction comes from TSH, which wanted to restrict the number of pilots going from TSA to F9.
Under the old F9 contract, this would have been a non-issue, as the number of CP people going to F9 back then was minuscule (<10 per year). But now with the new and improved F9 contract, I'm guessing TSH insisted on the same restriction with CP. So we probably just got the same agreement that TSA did, except it's 2-4/month instead of 2.
I would be surprised though if our union challenged this at all.
Under the old F9 contract, this would have been a non-issue, as the number of CP people going to F9 back then was minuscule (<10 per year). But now with the new and improved F9 contract, I'm guessing TSH insisted on the same restriction with CP. So we probably just got the same agreement that TSA did, except it's 2-4/month instead of 2.
I would be surprised though if our union challenged this at all.
03-19-2019 | 08:59 PM
#1846
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IMHO it’s an obstacle to our career progression. I certainly would have voted no. Now all of us have no shot at moving on to F9 outside of a tiny and distant flow window. With their new pay rates, you would have seen normal attrition of 2-5 a month to them without the flow...... not 24 a year with the flow
03-19-2019 | 09:05 PM
#1847
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From: 135 FNG
In sequence:
Flow time
Cleared direct BTG
Mach .74 for spacing
Shasta yay
I can see Crater Lake
RT 090 for metering
LT 270 for metering
Direct BTG, Normal speed
RT 090 for metering
LT 270 for metering
Cleared direct BTG, Normal speed
After HAWKZ, descend/maintain 4000’, slow to 170
No, you can’t land on the inside.
Flow time
Cleared direct BTG
Mach .74 for spacing
Shasta yay
I can see Crater Lake
RT 090 for metering
LT 270 for metering
Direct BTG, Normal speed
RT 090 for metering
LT 270 for metering
Cleared direct BTG, Normal speed
After HAWKZ, descend/maintain 4000’, slow to 170
No, you can’t land on the inside.
03-19-2019 | 09:16 PM
#1848
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In sequence:
Flow time
Cleared direct BTG
Mach .74 for spacing
Shasta yay
I can see Crater Lake
RT 090 for metering
LT 270 for metering
Direct BTG, Normal speed
RT 090 for metering
LT 270 for metering
Cleared direct BTG, Normal speed
After HAWKZ, descend/maintain 4000’, slow to 170
No, you can’t land on the inside.
Flow time
Cleared direct BTG
Mach .74 for spacing
Shasta yay
I can see Crater Lake
RT 090 for metering
LT 270 for metering
Direct BTG, Normal speed
RT 090 for metering
LT 270 for metering
Cleared direct BTG, Normal speed
After HAWKZ, descend/maintain 4000’, slow to 170
No, you can’t land on the inside.
03-20-2019 | 05:47 AM
#1849
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so really the “flow” is just management blocking us from career progression, great. Maybe if we’re lucky we can flow 1 a month to UA while they throw our apps in the trash.
My money says we never, ever flow more than 2 a month. Just TSH’s way of blocking us from leaving for F9 in droves with their new contract. Scummy move
My money says we never, ever flow more than 2 a month. Just TSH’s way of blocking us from leaving for F9 in droves with their new contract. Scummy move
03-20-2019 | 08:17 AM
#1850
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From: 175 CA
Well frontier is complicit in this too, don't forget that.
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