Compass Updates 2: Revenge of the Sit
03-16-2019, 08:52 AM
#1801
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Joined APC: Feb 2017
Posts: 570
Started flying last June, at 733 now. But TT is my issue, won't be able to upgrade for another year realistically.
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03-16-2019, 10:34 AM
#1802
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Joined APC: Dec 2014
Position: Grp Cpt
Posts: 260
Originally Posted by Excargodog
Will it be the summer of the Captain Crunch?
It's been 18 months or so now since the $17.5K hiring bonus. That bonus wasn't out of the goodness of management's heart (unfortunately) it's because we weren't filling classes. And when we did start filling classes it seemed like everyone in the whole damn world was filling 175 classes and sim and instructor availability became an issue. So the throughput to getting those newbie's on the line got somewhat lengthened even though we eventually did fill all those classes.
In reaction to last summer's FO shortage, management kicked around the idea of CQFOs, slowed upgrades, and cancelled or deferred vacations and we made it through, not without a little angst. But fast forward another year, and we'll be facing summer flying again.
Now FOs ought not to be a problem, we are pretty much caught up, but the vast majority of our attrition is captains moving on. The "new" guys hired at the start of the summer of 2018 probably took three months or so to go through their initial training, meaning they have been on the line now for maybe seven months.
At 75 hours a month, they ought to have 600 hours or so, probably not much more than that since they will have pulled a month of reserve or so. Now the guys who were hired in the previous nine months after the bonus have more, in fact some ought to have about a thousand hours, but for some of them (and I have no idea just how many) that won't be enough because they came on board with 1500 TT or less and 25 hours of ME and are still not at company minima for upgrade in terms of either ME time or TT.
It looks to me like the FO crunch of last year stands a pretty good chance of becoming a captain crunch this year.
Anyone for crib pay?
It's been 18 months or so now since the $17.5K hiring bonus. That bonus wasn't out of the goodness of management's heart (unfortunately) it's because we weren't filling classes. And when we did start filling classes it seemed like everyone in the whole damn world was filling 175 classes and sim and instructor availability became an issue. So the throughput to getting those newbie's on the line got somewhat lengthened even though we eventually did fill all those classes.
In reaction to last summer's FO shortage, management kicked around the idea of CQFOs, slowed upgrades, and cancelled or deferred vacations and we made it through, not without a little angst. But fast forward another year, and we'll be facing summer flying again.
Now FOs ought not to be a problem, we are pretty much caught up, but the vast majority of our attrition is captains moving on. The "new" guys hired at the start of the summer of 2018 probably took three months or so to go through their initial training, meaning they have been on the line now for maybe seven months.
At 75 hours a month, they ought to have 600 hours or so, probably not much more than that since they will have pulled a month of reserve or so. Now the guys who were hired in the previous nine months after the bonus have more, in fact some ought to have about a thousand hours, but for some of them (and I have no idea just how many) that won't be enough because they came on board with 1500 TT or less and 25 hours of ME and are still not at company minima for upgrade in terms of either ME time or TT.
It looks to me like the FO crunch of last year stands a pretty good chance of becoming a captain crunch this year.
Anyone for crib pay?
03-16-2019, 10:44 AM
#1803
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Joined APC: Sep 2017
Position: MEC Chairman, Snack Basket Committee
Posts: 3,198
Originally Posted by Excargodog
Will it be the summer of the Captain Crunch?
I try to remember that during crib season the Kennedy saying works in reverse:
"Ask not what you can do for your airline, but what your airline can do for you"
03-16-2019, 11:02 AM
#1804
On Reserve
Joined APC: Mar 2019
Posts: 12
Frontier info
Talked to Frontier at Long Beach this weekend. Confirmed 2 per MONTH starting June.
Class is preceded by all the paperwork turned into our Chiefs/Admom PLUS they do an “On-Boarding” trip to DEN where it’s a kinda interview with resume and logbook review, tour the facilities.
Big growth and confirmed they are announcing 2 more bases by year end.
Class is preceded by all the paperwork turned into our Chiefs/Admom PLUS they do an “On-Boarding” trip to DEN where it’s a kinda interview with resume and logbook review, tour the facilities.
Big growth and confirmed they are announcing 2 more bases by year end.
03-16-2019, 01:54 PM
#1805
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Joined APC: Apr 2017
Posts: 217
Originally Posted by Cheers
Talked to Frontier at Long Beach this weekend. Confirmed 2 per MONTH starting June.
Class is preceded by all the paperwork turned into our Chiefs/Admom PLUS they do an “On-Boarding” trip to DEN where it’s a kinda interview with resume and logbook review, tour the facilities.
Big growth and confirmed they are announcing 2 more bases by year end.
Class is preceded by all the paperwork turned into our Chiefs/Admom PLUS they do an “On-Boarding” trip to DEN where it’s a kinda interview with resume and logbook review, tour the facilities.
Big growth and confirmed they are announcing 2 more bases by year end.
03-16-2019, 02:34 PM
#1806
Perennial Reserve
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 11,502
Originally Posted by PanchoBarnes
They told me similar things. Also said they are not allowed to interview any CP employee outside of people coming through the flow. Apparently there are people at TSA who are quitting so they can interview at Frontier
03-16-2019, 07:08 PM
#1807
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Joined APC: Sep 2017
Position: 135 FNG
Posts: 124
Probable cause
What if all of the TSH siblings are getting flow to Frontier, because they’re all getting adopted by Indigo?
Eh?!
Eh?!
03-16-2019, 07:18 PM
#1808
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Joined APC: Apr 2017
Posts: 217
Originally Posted by koala98g
What if all of the TSH siblings are getting flow to Frontier, because they’re all getting adopted by Indigo?
Eh?!
Eh?!
03-17-2019, 04:53 PM
#1810
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Joined APC: Feb 2017
Posts: 570
With talk about possibly being short on the CA side this summer, any rumor of CP doing upgrades at 1000 121 and getting rid of the 2500 hour requirement (for those who came in with R-ATPs)? Umm, asking for a friend...
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