Can everyone go rent a Cessna and practice your visual approaches so we don’t end up banning all our visuals, gosh.

It's getting embarrassing.

Compass xxxx, cleared visual, XX.

Uh, unable.

It's the middle of the day, clear, blue, 22. You can't accept a visual?

Um, no.

Why, am I missing something

Let’s just say we have multiple airports the company banned us from doing night visuals because crews just hit FLCH and put their feet up while the plane careens toward terrain. Slightly understandable, night is dark, mountains are hiding. But now a certain airport is now banned for all visuals night and day, because crews are turning final below glide path and getting EGPWS.

And I believe it’s reasons like this that cpz will not drop the 2500hr min for ca upgrade for the peeps who have degrees.


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Nobody should - period.

I never understood people who could comfortably put their feet up in the 175. I could never get the seat back far enough to do anything less that almost kneeing myself in the shoulder if I used those foot rests.

Granted visual approaches are difficult to teach to real-world conditions in the sim (especially if you're on a downwind and have to decide when to turn base yourself), but I also have a difficult time understanding why people don't fly around with the terrain page up more on the MFD. I always had it up every leg of every flight, and only didn't use it when I was using the radar. Just a thought... :)

8It's also military pilots getting R-ATPs, not just those who sat in a classroom. Also there is no 2500 hour min if you have 1500 ME, then it's 2000.

There is plenty of time in a classroom for military guys too. Over two years in military flight training, one probably logs 130 hours, but spends ten times that in the classroom.

Going the military route doesn't give anyone special status as a "Sky God". It does however afford you the opportunity to begin learning, much sooner. Much like the allowance to upgrade at 2000 TT with 1500 ME, it's a recognition of experience.

Don't rush upgrading, take the opportunity to learn where you're at. Especially with a R-ATP, that opportunity has been made available much sooner to you, than to your equivalent hour peers.

I know all about the classroom for military training, been there and done that. Nobody is claiming to be a sky God, except maybe some fighter guys... I kid, I kid... And it forces us to begin learning sooner, before we ever take our first flight. No matter what I still need to finish my 1000 hours of 121, just like everyone else, but in my case I need to go well beyond that 1000 in the right seat instead of upgrading like many others. If that's what it takes, I'll just keep putting in my time and pay my dues...